Have the scientists got it wrong about global warming?

[kwicky]

Today on Channel 4 proof was given that climate change is not related to carbon emissions but instead is a cyclic phenonemon which is due to solar flares.
If we get this wrong in our diagnosis it could lead to the most expensive blunder ever committed by our politicians and environmentalists not to mention the tax burden in trying to control it . Because of the long period of the cycle it would take many years to see the results of our endeavours.
Instead of tackling this like a runaway express train should we instead only take appropriate measures closely aligned with the major polluters?

[Loosehead]

as I have said countless times global warming is nothing to do with mankind. 3 words, LONG CARBON CYCLE

[JDOvengloves]

In a word -yes !

The world and Africa in particular is paying for the foolishness of Governments and the Green movement.

Perhaps this will be Thatcher's longest lasting legacy !

[sandbach99]

Yes Watched the programme confirmed my thoughts.

[Loosehead]

Hang on ovengloves how is the environmental mafie anything to do with MrsT? They're mainly a bunch of beardy weirdy lefties, she hated those!

[Haggisdj]

EVERYTHING is Thatcher's fault...

[flip-flop]

There'll be somebody along in a minute (he knows who he is) who'll be able to make the connection with Thatcher because GLOBAL WARMING has almost as many letters as MAGGIE THATCHER and therefore it absolutely MUST be her fault or if you re-arrange some of the letters you come up with WAR MONG and as we know Thatcher invaded The Falklands and because she sunk the Belgrano a great big plume of smoke went into the atmosphere and this kick started global warming.

.......or some other spurious leap of logic reason.

[Theland]

I understan that the middle ages were warmer than now, followed by a mini ice age a few hundred years later. No, i didn't see the programme, but did they mention this?

[bazwillrun]

irrespective of whatever proof as to the reasons for it, it will be used as an excuse for all kinds of "green taxes" as are already being introduced by a government who as usual treat us with contempt.

[beryllium]

It was brilliant :-)

The tax burden trying to control it? anyone getting a refund lol...

I think Maggie came into it over Nuclear power. She was a scientist too!!! they (conservatives) wanted nuclear power so much that they gave money, money, money to the scientists of their choice... to prove Global warming was through carbon emissions ergo 'nuclear power' was a safer option for the protection of the environment.

The major polluters? were only responsible for 0.6 gigatonnes? where as cows and all of nature were responsible for 10x that lol (figures loose btw because I cant remember the exact amounts).... so I suppose it will be the farmers fault!!! as they will be the major polluters....

[suffragette]

As beryllium rightly points out, the Maggie Thatcher link with the global warming question was based on her determination not to be held to ransom by the miners or the Arabs, as Ted Heath had been. She believed nuclear power was a valuable, cheap and reliable source of power and encouraged research by the 'global warming' scientists to discredit carbon fuels. Up until that time, the 'global warming' scientist had been viewed as somewhat eccentric by the scientific community. I doubt she ever believed them, but they were a useful tool against the carbon power lobby at that particular time in history.

[sandbach99]

Mani Did you actually see the programme?

[beryllium]

There was 1 interesting point made. Is it a new religion? global warming and saving the planet? it was compared to a sin if our carbon emissions were too high, and our forgiveness if we did something about it.

Anyone remember that point made? please.

[Loosehead]

Yes Mani, everyone agrees it's real, it's the cause that is in dispute.

[youngmafbog]

Sorry Mani, cant agree with you at all. I have been saying this for ages along with the likes of Looshead etc.

Look at the history of our planet(not just the 200 years we have kept records) , the temperature varies - lots, the earth moves and evolves. By backing the tree huggers we are playing King Canute it wont stop it the figures just dont add up. Are you proposing we get shot of all the cows etc? (Guess if you are a tree hugger your most liklely a veggie so the answer is yes!!)

This is not to say we should not do something about pollution. Fossil fuels do cause polution which is harmfull, as an asthma sufferer I know this first hand. But attributing Global warming to it is not quite the ticket old chap

[Hugh Spencer]

I have recorded that programme to see later but I have been involved in similar discussions elsewhere. Once again I say, perhaps Professor David Bellamy was right many years ago. Some scientists have distorted facts, some have included other scientists names falsely to back up their ideas. Have these people have any conscience?

[Whickerman]

http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibit gcc/images/historical02.gif

Mani, take a look at this graph. You'll see that although global warming and carbon emissions are inextricably linked, the cycle repeats about every 100,000 years. Man wasn't in industrial mode any other time, and the link between man and global warming is tenuous. As the programme showed, a lot of the scientists linked with the global warming warning are now distancing themselves from it.

[Hugh Spencer]

Further to my earlier comment, I have now seen the Channel 4 programme. All the scientists contributing to it have put their names to their statements, not hiding behind the views of a society or organisation. Here are a few notes I wrote while watching the programme.
Co2 is not a pollutant, oceans produce most Co2. Sunspots cause change of temperature and the sun is driving climate change. Anticapitalists are behind the present campaign. The media likes the present confrontation because it secures jobs. The UN distorted the reports of eminent scientists. Scientists who disagree with the global warming theory are accused of having private funding to make their statements and are publicly attacked. Political activists are behind it all. This is more than enough to convince me. I hope the general public start to use their own enquiring minds to look, listen and base their judgment on true facts and not propaganda.

[noxlumos]

Long Carbon Cycle as loosehead pointed out coupled with Thatcher's legacy regarding the Middle East and of course our DESPERATION to stop Africa and Asia developing. Think of the economic implications if we let them do that...