iranian sailors ultimatum

[badboy4life]

is not time to give the iranians an ultimatum, 24 hours to hand over the sailors or we take "action". i dont want another iraq war but if i was one of those sailors id want something done NOW!

[fairkatrina]

I'm sure the government will do everything they can to get those sailors back...unless they were indeed being a little big naughty like the Iranians suggested. Then it would just be embarassing explaining to the media why they were taken in the first place...Draw your own conclusions.

[stokeace]

the people of iran are now calling for the 'prisoners' to be executed we MUST send in the sas now to save the hostages or tell iran to release them or face the consequenses of our military might.it would be interesting to see if the americans would back us or would they do as they do as they did in our fight to liberate the falklands...........................................................sweet f.a.

[Marvelman]

we have to do something pretty fast, wonder what George Bush would do if they were Americans, perhaps Tony the grin should ask for some advice, it has been shown by the UN that they were two miles inside Iraqi waters, i doubt that Iran would have done it had they been Americans.

[Lonnie]

If our craven goverment doesn't apologise, the Iranians won't return our marines and Sailors, to apologise, whether right or wrong, would be too humiliating, I doubt if they will be returned at all, without a climbdown by us.

Sending the SAS in, and bombing their Nuclear facilities are not options, but as i've said in an earlier post, by taking our service personel the way they did, was a blatent act of war, so I reckon we should destroy one of their naval bases, as a warning of what could happen if they are not returned.

As it happens, the Iranian leadership would welcome a war, as it would hasten their passage to Paradise.

[ELVIS68]

Watching Blair on the news tonight, I don`t think he`s got the balls to send in the SAS or attack their naval base

[Kroozer]

It's time for Britain to grovel to get our people back safely. That's all that matters.
Then the politicians can answer for their loony rules of engagement policy.

[jake-the-peg]

Why does this sound so familiar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_C law

[Loosehead]

Stokeace, the US didn't send troops but they did do a hell of a lot in the Falklands war, but then I suppose it's a bit much to ask for research before shooting off mouth!

[Loosehead]

If you do that koozer you just ensure repeat episodes, haven't you learnt from history that appeasment never works?

[flip-flop]

Yes but Jake Operation Eagle was about the Americans trying to rescue hostages so it was doomed to fail from the outset - the SAS is an entirely different proposition.

The Iranians are lying - its what all the Arab states do, they are all completely untrustworthy - and therefore we need strong decisive action to let mickey mouse little **** pot festering turd pit countries like Iran that we won't be effed about in this manner.

The Iranians have shown their colours by parading the hostages (or should that be POWs!) in front of their cameras and forcing them to admit to something that simply isn't true.

Blair needs to be strong - words mean nothing.

[Kroozer]

We must get these people back Loosehad, and if necessary, grovel to do so. Then maybe we can get our act together for the future - and maybe bomb the mullahs nuclear plants before they bomb us.

[Loosehead]

and then they nab some more because now they know how to make us grovel. Next time govelling won't be enough, they'll want more. Grovel now and you open the door to purpetual blackmail.

[jake-the-peg]

Sorry flip-flop??

Why was the American rescue attempt doomed but our SAS a different proposition. Is it because they're American and we're British?

Tha SAS are not Gods you know despite what Andy McNab might have you believe.

Even if they knew where they were being held, they would have to get into Iran, (presuamably) an Iranian military base and find them all and get them out again

And what exactly do you think the Iranian air force will do when they see half a dozen chinnooks heading over from Iraq?

Or are you anticipating an arial war to provide cover ?

I really don't think you've thought this through - but please prove me wrong by providing details of exactly how this would work

[Gromit]

History has shown that a SAS mission to free the captured sailors would be highly risky with a high likelyhood of failure. They are being held in different places, and the fallout from a failed mission would be far worse than any grovelling. At the moment, a great deal of diplomatic pressure is being put on Iran. The EU countries and Turkey have been very supportive, though the UN response has been pretty poor again.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0A0E908 F-E565-47AA-94A3-538F0B32476A.htm

I don't think the Americans would need asking twice for assistance. They have been spoiling for a fight since the 'Axis of Evil' comment by Bush. But I don't the US will be asked to intervene.

There are two different factions ruling in Iran. One will see the captives as an insurance policy - a human shield against an impending US attack, and the other will see it as a Diplomatic disaster further pushing Iran into isolation.

I think this could drag on for a number of weeks, with the Iranians taking every opportunity to humiliate Blair and the UK. Diplomatic pressure will see releases in dribs and drabs. I can also imagine a repeat of the Carter scenario where this will remain unresolved until Blair's last day as PM and then all the remaining captives will be released to the new incumbant at 10 Downing Street.

Then again, the whole crisis could have been engineered to legitimise a military attack...

[flip-flop]

Doing nothing is not an option. Grovelling is most certainly not an option. Furrowed brows and sentiments of 'exterme concern' from the Becketts of the world mean nothing. A wooly worded missive from the UN means nothing.

What's left?

We cannot let these people get away with this kind of outrage.

Perhaps we should see if Trident does actually work?

[Gromit]

flip flop,

I get you, kill the captives ourselves - end of problem!

[libertie]

If anything you read is to be believed then our armed forces are already stretched to the limit, so I would think that we need to think very carefully before we go in with all guns blazing!

[badboy4life]

I think its really bad that they could humiliate members of our armed forces when were not at war with them. im not naive enough to think that we havent attacked iran covertly, but i think our security forces are good enough to know where they are, we should go in for a rescue even if it fails. it tells the rest of the world you capture our forces and we come and get them. we have to make it very unappealing to hurt any british citizen let alone a member of our armed forces!.