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Another Banned Gurkha
Another Gurkha, this one badly wounded fighting for this country, banned from coming here for medical treatment. This counties treatment of Gurkhas is digusting, makes me ashamed at times like this to be British. The regiment I was in, worked in conjunction with a Gurkha regiment in Hong Kong and Malaya, these soldiers are second to none, and are so proud to be in service for Britain, Surely they can expect better?.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/0 6/16/banned-from-britain-----89520-19305382/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/0 6/16/banned-from-britain-----89520-19305382/
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Reverandfunk
Is there a site I can read up about the Ghurkas? My knowledge of their relationship to this country is sketchy (ie. I don't know anything about why they fought alongside us and in which conflicts).
I agree wholeheartedly with the principle that anyone who has fought for this nation should automatically be granted full citizenship...but what I don't get is - do the Ghurkas actually fight as part of the British army or do they fight alongside us (like coalition forces in the Middle East for instance).
Is there a site I can read up about the Ghurkas? My knowledge of their relationship to this country is sketchy (ie. I don't know anything about why they fought alongside us and in which conflicts).
I agree wholeheartedly with the principle that anyone who has fought for this nation should automatically be granted full citizenship...but what I don't get is - do the Ghurkas actually fight as part of the British army or do they fight alongside us (like coalition forces in the Middle East for instance).
I always visit the Gurkha garden when I go here.
http://www.southbucks.gov.uk/documents/stoke_p oges_memorial_gardens.pdf
Have a look at the Brigade website for background info.
http://www.brigadeofgurkhas.co.uk/
http://www.southbucks.gov.uk/documents/stoke_p oges_memorial_gardens.pdf
Have a look at the Brigade website for background info.
http://www.brigadeofgurkhas.co.uk/
Right...I've educted myself on the Ghurkas now and am up to speed.
Only question is - who is it who's actually banning him from seeking medical treatment in this country?
It would just be a lot simpler if there was a blanket policy which states that "if you fight for Britain, you're entitled to a number of rights".
But then, what happens to Ghurkas in regiments who potentially could fight for Queen and Country, but have simply never been involved in a war (a timing issue say)?
Would they be granted a 'lesser degree' of stateship?
This case referred to seems to be cut and dried though.
Only question is - who is it who's actually banning him from seeking medical treatment in this country?
It would just be a lot simpler if there was a blanket policy which states that "if you fight for Britain, you're entitled to a number of rights".
But then, what happens to Ghurkas in regiments who potentially could fight for Queen and Country, but have simply never been involved in a war (a timing issue say)?
Would they be granted a 'lesser degree' of stateship?
This case referred to seems to be cut and dried though.
Here's a story we were told about the war between Nepal and Britain, I don't know if its true, but having personal exerience of the Gurkaas, I could well believe it.
The British were besieging a Gurkha stronghold, when they saw a man waving a white flag.
Thinking they were going to surrender, the British ceased firing,
A single Gurkha came running to the British positions, half his jaw had been shot away, he recieved medical treatment, which was what he wanted, then indicated he wanted to go back to his own positions.
When asked why, he said it was to rejoin his compatriots, and contiue fighting the British.
He was allowed to go.
That just about sums up the Gurkhas, they don't give in, are terrific fighters, and their loyalty is second to none.
The British were besieging a Gurkha stronghold, when they saw a man waving a white flag.
Thinking they were going to surrender, the British ceased firing,
A single Gurkha came running to the British positions, half his jaw had been shot away, he recieved medical treatment, which was what he wanted, then indicated he wanted to go back to his own positions.
When asked why, he said it was to rejoin his compatriots, and contiue fighting the British.
He was allowed to go.
That just about sums up the Gurkhas, they don't give in, are terrific fighters, and their loyalty is second to none.
I don't know if that is what it means, sp..however I fail to see why any Gurkha has 'insufficient ties to Britain'.
As I have stated many times before, I have no problem with immigration per se ~ there are many immigrants who come to the island and put something in to the country...culture, education, employment etc. There are also quite a few who don't, and I am sure they really do have insufficient ties to the UK.
I can't understand how the rules are made, and what criteria the government insist upon.
As I have stated many times before, I have no problem with immigration per se ~ there are many immigrants who come to the island and put something in to the country...culture, education, employment etc. There are also quite a few who don't, and I am sure they really do have insufficient ties to the UK.
I can't understand how the rules are made, and what criteria the government insist upon.
Pippa68
I recently finished reading Kate Fox's 'Watching The English'. She's a social athropologist who wrote a book in which she tries to define what it actually means to be 'English'.
One of her conclusions is that a major English character trait is the adherence to 'fair play' and fairness in general.
The idea that Ghurkas who serve this country aren't allowed a degree of human compassion...or rather, aren't treated fairly, is something which is simply unfair.
I wish people would leave immigration out of it though. There are hundreds of thousands of British-born people who, frankly, deserve nothing. But by the lucky chance of being here, can sit idly by, whilst drawing the dole, acquiring multiple tattoos, slapping their wives and occasionally taking their rottweilers out to savage children.
I recently finished reading Kate Fox's 'Watching The English'. She's a social athropologist who wrote a book in which she tries to define what it actually means to be 'English'.
One of her conclusions is that a major English character trait is the adherence to 'fair play' and fairness in general.
The idea that Ghurkas who serve this country aren't allowed a degree of human compassion...or rather, aren't treated fairly, is something which is simply unfair.
I wish people would leave immigration out of it though. There are hundreds of thousands of British-born people who, frankly, deserve nothing. But by the lucky chance of being here, can sit idly by, whilst drawing the dole, acquiring multiple tattoos, slapping their wives and occasionally taking their rottweilers out to savage children.
Oh I totally agree with you, sp. I brought up the subject of immigration purely because I know it will be on everyones lips considering this case ~ after all the 'insufficient ties' to Britain is bound to cause controversy, and quite rightly so.
I know of a 17 year old girl who left school and went straight on the dole. She has a flat given to her by the council/housing association and yes, she is caucasian British. The fact that she lives in a block of flats amongst others of her particular stock..no jobs between them and there never has been, seems appalling to me. When she recently complained to me that her benefits were being cut I was speechless.
I wonder how we managed to breed a nation of people who fail to see that getting an education and a job should be the norm? I lived with my parents until I could afford my own rented accomodation and I eventually bought my own house, however there appears to be many parents who feel they can cast their children into the wilderness poorly equipped for independence.
I digress, of course..but you must understand that when a news story like this appears it is no wonder topic of the badly run immigration system of the present day, as well as the benefit system as a whole is put into question.
I know of a 17 year old girl who left school and went straight on the dole. She has a flat given to her by the council/housing association and yes, she is caucasian British. The fact that she lives in a block of flats amongst others of her particular stock..no jobs between them and there never has been, seems appalling to me. When she recently complained to me that her benefits were being cut I was speechless.
I wonder how we managed to breed a nation of people who fail to see that getting an education and a job should be the norm? I lived with my parents until I could afford my own rented accomodation and I eventually bought my own house, however there appears to be many parents who feel they can cast their children into the wilderness poorly equipped for independence.
I digress, of course..but you must understand that when a news story like this appears it is no wonder topic of the badly run immigration system of the present day, as well as the benefit system as a whole is put into question.
I'm just going to let my right wing side out for an airing for a minute here...
The welfare system actually creates and encourages poverty because rather than forming a safety net, it's being used more and more, as an alternative to work.
When I was at school I was literally terrified of having to go on the dole. It was more shame than anything else.
Because of that fear, I've been in full employment since I was 19.
My brother however, who is 12 years my junior, has never worked and I doubt whether he ever will.
I genuinely think that something happened to the nation between me leaving school and him leaving and it's been a change for the worst.
There...now I'm putting my right wing side away for another year.
The welfare system actually creates and encourages poverty because rather than forming a safety net, it's being used more and more, as an alternative to work.
When I was at school I was literally terrified of having to go on the dole. It was more shame than anything else.
Because of that fear, I've been in full employment since I was 19.
My brother however, who is 12 years my junior, has never worked and I doubt whether he ever will.
I genuinely think that something happened to the nation between me leaving school and him leaving and it's been a change for the worst.
There...now I'm putting my right wing side away for another year.
Exactly, sp! I too feared 'the dole'.
I wasn't brought up to expect to leave school and not work..I was informed that benefits were there to be used only in dire cases. Let's face it, benefits are a good thing ~ everyone has the fear of becoming unemployed, disabled or becoming a carer to an elderly parent. In this case, the welfare system is good.
Back in the 80's I knew a few girls of my age who became pregnant. They lived with their parents, had the baby and continued to live with their parents until they found work or a husband/boyfriend. In the last 20 years it has changed, and I don't know when or why. WHY do parents allow their children to leave home just because a baby is on the way? WHY are children leaving school and choosing benefits rather than work?
By the way sp when I recently aired the same views as yourself I was called a Fascist ;o)
I wasn't brought up to expect to leave school and not work..I was informed that benefits were there to be used only in dire cases. Let's face it, benefits are a good thing ~ everyone has the fear of becoming unemployed, disabled or becoming a carer to an elderly parent. In this case, the welfare system is good.
Back in the 80's I knew a few girls of my age who became pregnant. They lived with their parents, had the baby and continued to live with their parents until they found work or a husband/boyfriend. In the last 20 years it has changed, and I don't know when or why. WHY do parents allow their children to leave home just because a baby is on the way? WHY are children leaving school and choosing benefits rather than work?
By the way sp when I recently aired the same views as yourself I was called a Fascist ;o)
Hi Everybody, I Served with the Gurkhas During the latter half of the Second World War and these were the Elite you never seemed to be in front of a Gurkha, you were always behind him Ihave just gone to the site and Signed the petition, These guys and there families should have been given British Passports Automatically after the end of the war in 1945 instead of being thrown on the Srapheap by Successive British Governments.
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