Flogged Drug Dealer

[Lonnie]

You may or may not agree with me, but this is just the sort of punishment for Drug Dealers we should have, short of hanging.

These people are responsible for so much that is wrong with our society, deaths, ruined lives and families.

I totally agree with it.

What are your views?.

[stokemaveric]

still to soft....hang em high

[ruby27]

Predictably I will not agree with any form of physical punishment. However Lonnie I think you have missed attaching you link. So without this information I shall have to reserve judgment.

[jno]

they are just middlemen, salesmen like any other meeting a market that clearly exists among Britons. Are they responsible for more deaths than, say, arms manufacturers?

[Lonnie]

ruby, your right, I did forget the link. doing it all to often nowadays.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/text/article. html?in_article_id=472442&in_page_id=1811&in_m ain_section=News&in_sub_section=World%20news&i n_chn_id=1469

We agree to dfiffer again, but thats no problem, its what goes towards a good discussion.

stokemaveric,
True, I would support hanging 100% for these people, but as a secondary punishment, i'd go along with this.

jno,
Can't argue with your logic, and I have to agree with you all the way, but these people prey on the innocents, and the results are, to my mind, one of the great evils of modern society.
I just don't think you can put Drug Dealers and Arms Traders on the same level,

[Oneeyedvic]

As Ruby says, predictably I don't agree with this kind of punishment.

Though I would be curious as to how you would dish out the punishment - would it be for all drug dealers - and what about 'mules'?

Would you want this punishment for someone buying a couple of ounces of weed to sell to his mates or for people who are importing tons of coke?

And finally, is this in addition to a prison sentence or to be carried out instead of a prison sentence - the write up in the mail doesn't seem to give an indication of what they do in Malaysia

[cruella]

Hi Lonnie
I do not agree with violence in general, but have to say, yes, Flogging is too good for those type of people. They mess with other peoples lives without thinking of the outcome. I have no sympathy for anyone caught dealing with drugs.

[ruby27]

Thanks Lonnie

As to legal and illegal drug producers and suppliers, I can not really feel more moral outrage about illegal drug suppliers and their pushing, than I can about the promotion and availability of cigarettes and alcohol. Certainly cigarettes and alcohol have had a more damaging effect on health.

In terms of punsihment. Whose needs are being met here. Is this to protect society or is this to enable sadists to get thier fill?

[jake-the-peg]

Just out of interest is this all drugs dealers you want to hang?

I mean somebody who's caught with a few ounces of cannabis and sells occasionally to friends.

Bearing in mind that so many of the adult population has at one time or another smoked a bit of pot that'd seem just a touch over the top.

What are your exact categories of people you want to hang?

[johnlambert]

Lonnie
You, Stokemaveric and I are all in agreement, maybe it's an ex serviceman thing.

[whiffey]

I watched that clip, it made my stomach churn, but still an appropriate punishment for a drug dealer.

I read a vivid account by a tough British soldier who got 6 strokes of the cane in Singapore. He was strapped over a gymnasium horse, pants down. A large guy took a run up and whacked him. His description of the impact and pain was amazing. He said he had no conception that it would hurt so much and that all he could think was - another FIVE like that ?!!!!!

That guy in Malaya got 20.

[Gromit]

What happens when the Government is found to be the drug dealer? In the Iran-Contra scandal, the US Government were dealing in cocaine.

Would the president be liable for a good spanking?

http://www.csun.edu/~hfspc002/news/cia.drug.ht ml

[China Doll]

I agree with Jake.

Also, how does flogging the dealers get to the root cause of drug addiction? Doesn't make the problem go away for those who are addicted.

[Shadow Man]

I am in favour of horse whipping for most offences. Drug dealing, as you state Lonnie, ruins lives and families, so this will be the snappiest horsewhip money can buy. Or a cat-o-nine-tiles with razor blades.

They should also have rock salt rubbed in to their whelp marks.

That'll teach 'em!!!

[China Doll]

You can not deal with everything bad in this world with violence.

Sure it'll deal with the short term 'something should be done' mentality but rarely will it make the bigger problems in this world go away.

You can't just advocate violence for every offence, you really can't!

[Shadow Man]

China Doll, the problem with the do gooders not wishing to use violence is their belief in rehabiltation.

I am 100 percent for rehabiltation. When scum is released from prison of course I want them never to do a crime again and hopefully contribute to the economy.

But my view is PUNISHMENT and REHABILITATION are two seperate things.

We have to have punishment for the crimes. Then we will rehabilitate them.

The lefties do not see this. They just want criminals pampered and cared for. Weey pants.

Punish them and punish them hard. Then work to restore the human being within.

[China Doll]

I know a few right wingers who wouldn't agree with you either Wardy, it's not a leftie v rightie argument.

I'm just flabergasted (great word) that you can't see that violence is not going to solve anything. It will just satisfy the vengeful part of our characters for a short time. The problems won't go away. In this instance there will still be drug dealers and addicts on the streets.

And come on, you know more about the law than I'm ever going to. I thought the jail term was the punishment. Are you saying we should send them to jail and give them a sound thrashing?

[Shadow Man]

A hefty horsewhipping for punishment.

A Gaol term for rehabilitation.

Simple as that.

(PS death penalty for murderers, nonces and terrorists after a few years torture)

[TEAK36]

I dont really agree with violence as I do not think it is really a deterrent for the hardcore drug dealers. I think the fact that the guy in Malaysia knew the consequences of dealing in drugs, but he still went ahead and offended says it all really. I would lay money on him re offending.

The money to be made in drugs is so vast that people will always be willing to take the chance.

[wizard69]

I'm pretty sure that guy would think twice about dealing again...
If I thought that some one was pushing drugs to my kids I'd whip them myself.

[Lonnie]

First, thanks to everyone thats answered, I appreciate your views, although I don't agree with some.

I believe, even though its hard, you have to make all this sort of thing personal, (Wizard), if someone you love became hooked on Heroin or Cocaine, and you knew who had given it to them, what would your reaction be, I know what mine would be.

Oneeyedvic,
In my eyes, the mules are just as guilty as the Dealer, so yes, the same punishment, and again, the same punishment for someone just selling a couple of ounces of Weed, the general course of events is start on something percieved as almost harmless, and graduate to the stronger stuff.
Thats not hard and fast, but generally the rulr rather nthan tha exception.

Cruella,
Well said, these people trade on the lives of ordinart people and their families.

ruby27,
yes, Sadist will get their kicks from something like this, if its made public, i'm not sure it should be, (like this video),
I can't agree with the cigarettes and Alcohol comparison, sure, they are harmful, but not in the same league.

jake,
I refer you to my reply to oneeyedvic, and i'm not talking about the users, just the pushers and traders.

continued.

In my eyes,