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Why did Nelson Mandela say....
This is the first statue of a black person in London ? (It won't be the last, not by a long chalk)
Why did he not say Freedom Fighter instead ? Why did he have to introduce skin colour ?
Why did he not say Freedom Fighter instead ? Why did he have to introduce skin colour ?
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Love the very balanced, agenda-free link, Doc Spock.
"President P.W. Botha told Mandela way back in 1985, that he could be a free man as long as he did one thing: Publicly renounce violence. Mandela refused. That is why Mandela remained in prison until the appeaser F.W. de Klerk freed him unconditionally. The bottom line is that Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced violence - and we should never forget that."
Rather a shame that it missed out the the ever-so-slightly crucial and very political point behind *why* Mandela didn't renounce violence, namely that as a prisoner, Mandela had no power, and that to enter into a bargain with Botha would be to sanction Apartheid.
One may not agree with that point, but unless one understands that the situation was a tiny wee bit more complicated than that site's simplistic portrayal, one ends up with a distorted view of the situation and Mandela is reduced to a lazy caricature, not the complex person he actually is (for instance, he was later insistant that the Truth and Reconcilliation Committee was made to properly take account of the ANC's trangressions of human rights, understanding that the process would fail unless it was all encompassing). That's not even taking into account why the ANC moved from peaceful to violent struggle - try looking up the Sharpville Massacre.
"What freedom am I being offered while the organisation of the people remains banned? Only free men can negotiate. A prisoner cannot enter into contracts."
"President P.W. Botha told Mandela way back in 1985, that he could be a free man as long as he did one thing: Publicly renounce violence. Mandela refused. That is why Mandela remained in prison until the appeaser F.W. de Klerk freed him unconditionally. The bottom line is that Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced violence - and we should never forget that."
Rather a shame that it missed out the the ever-so-slightly crucial and very political point behind *why* Mandela didn't renounce violence, namely that as a prisoner, Mandela had no power, and that to enter into a bargain with Botha would be to sanction Apartheid.
One may not agree with that point, but unless one understands that the situation was a tiny wee bit more complicated than that site's simplistic portrayal, one ends up with a distorted view of the situation and Mandela is reduced to a lazy caricature, not the complex person he actually is (for instance, he was later insistant that the Truth and Reconcilliation Committee was made to properly take account of the ANC's trangressions of human rights, understanding that the process would fail unless it was all encompassing). That's not even taking into account why the ANC moved from peaceful to violent struggle - try looking up the Sharpville Massacre.
"What freedom am I being offered while the organisation of the people remains banned? Only free men can negotiate. A prisoner cannot enter into contracts."
Him and his statue mean nothing to me whatsover.
This is only happened because we have a rabid leftie scumbag of a mayor who will support just about anybody or anyrhing as long as its not white and english.
If i am unfortunate enough to have to pass this statue which i find extremely offensive i will a happily spit on it.
the man was a terrorist, he is not a great inyernational statesman, what did he do to warrant that title ?
This country is a joke for allowing this sort of crap to happen
This is only happened because we have a rabid leftie scumbag of a mayor who will support just about anybody or anyrhing as long as its not white and english.
If i am unfortunate enough to have to pass this statue which i find extremely offensive i will a happily spit on it.
the man was a terrorist, he is not a great inyernational statesman, what did he do to warrant that title ?
This country is a joke for allowing this sort of crap to happen
bazwillrun.
No, it's probably not the Mayor, it's that honourable Member of Parliament, currently N.Ireland secretary, who supported the ANC, its bombings and killing of innocent people! Now, of course when the "Freedom Fighters" in Iraq want to control their own Country ......................
The word hypocrite comes to mind.
No, it's probably not the Mayor, it's that honourable Member of Parliament, currently N.Ireland secretary, who supported the ANC, its bombings and killing of innocent people! Now, of course when the "Freedom Fighters" in Iraq want to control their own Country ......................
The word hypocrite comes to mind.
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