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PC - Has it nutered political debate?
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do you think that all the main parties are suffering from "fear of being labelled, the nasty party"?
do you think that all the main parties are suffering from "fear of being labelled, the nasty party"?
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I think there are a lot of subjects that do not ever get discussed because the PC brigade cannot stop themseles screaming hysterically at the protagonists for having the temerity to bring the subject up. Eg if I want to discuss the EU I'm a little Englander, if I want to talk about crime amongst yardies I'm a racist ditto imigration etc. If I want to talk about crime and punishent I'm a rabid bigot. It's not possible to hold a reasoned discussion on so many subjects.
I think that Pc has got everyone running around like headless chickens. All the main political parties, the police force, local authorities, everyone is paranoid. It stifles public debate. PC can be used by the bad guys to get their own way and avoid criticism. Any criticism is immediately jumped on and labelled racist or sexist etc. PC can often prevent common sense prevailing. In theory it should be a good thing but in practice it is open to abuse and prevents free speech.
Entirely agree with R1Geezer, he's got it in one.
The PC Brigade/Liberal Left, are not happy unless they can somehow pigeon-hole one, thus hoping to try and shame, so as to stifle debate on subjects that we in this country should feel free to discuss and debate.
One generally finds that the left tend to shout down anyone, when they find they are losing their argument. Some ethnic
minority groups are also guilty of this .
For proof of this one has only got to watch the BBC's Question Time.
The PC Brigade/Liberal Left, are not happy unless they can somehow pigeon-hole one, thus hoping to try and shame, so as to stifle debate on subjects that we in this country should feel free to discuss and debate.
One generally finds that the left tend to shout down anyone, when they find they are losing their argument. Some ethnic
minority groups are also guilty of this .
For proof of this one has only got to watch the BBC's Question Time.
You're in good company R1Geezer, Osama Bin Laden is on your side and is not an EU fan either.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml =/news/2008/03/19/niraq319.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml =/news/2008/03/19/niraq319.xml
Spot on Geezer. As a much derided "little Englander" I can identify with what you are saying.
Mamjet, you may not agree, it's not compulsory however I recomend you put some points to the agrument rather than making snotty one liners.
The worst thing you can do to a lefty is expose their flawed ideology.
Mamjet, you may not agree, it's not compulsory however I recomend you put some points to the agrument rather than making snotty one liners.
The worst thing you can do to a lefty is expose their flawed ideology.
Political correctness isn't stifling any debate. In fact its influence is extremely over-rated by a lot of people. A lot of this idea is rooted in misconception on both sides, in my view.
Nobody is stopping you arguing/debating by calling you un-PC. They're being irritating, sure, but they're not stopping you from arguing a point of view. Try arguing it afterwards, you'll find you can still do it without any fear of persecution. You're just being argued against on grounds that you find annoying or invalid.
Political Correctness is fine when it's genuinely working against abuse. For instance, yestarday I was participating in a school workshop, and one of the kids made a hateful comment (which I shan't repeat) regarding the ethnicity and sexual orientation of one of my colleagues. It's pretty clear that wanton hate isn't acceptable, and 'political correctness' has a place here.
What does irritate me is when Political correctness is taken to an extreme extent. For instance, the other day I used the phrase 'Don't be such a big girl's blouse' and was challenged by someone for unknowingly endorsing gender stereotypes. This is where 'political correctness' starts to get annoying and is then accused (with not much real basis) of stifling debate and expression.
If I wanted to keep saying the phrase, there was nothing stopping me. I was just being challenged in a way I found very irritating.
Nobody is stopping you arguing/debating by calling you un-PC. They're being irritating, sure, but they're not stopping you from arguing a point of view. Try arguing it afterwards, you'll find you can still do it without any fear of persecution. You're just being argued against on grounds that you find annoying or invalid.
Political Correctness is fine when it's genuinely working against abuse. For instance, yestarday I was participating in a school workshop, and one of the kids made a hateful comment (which I shan't repeat) regarding the ethnicity and sexual orientation of one of my colleagues. It's pretty clear that wanton hate isn't acceptable, and 'political correctness' has a place here.
What does irritate me is when Political correctness is taken to an extreme extent. For instance, the other day I used the phrase 'Don't be such a big girl's blouse' and was challenged by someone for unknowingly endorsing gender stereotypes. This is where 'political correctness' starts to get annoying and is then accused (with not much real basis) of stifling debate and expression.
If I wanted to keep saying the phrase, there was nothing stopping me. I was just being challenged in a way I found very irritating.
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Who decides what is or is not PC these days. Freedom of speech is dead. No one is allowed to say what they truly think any more. It is difficult to open your mouth these days without fear of offfending someone somewhere.Politicians for instance dare not raise concerns about high levels of immigrants in their constituences without being shouted down as racist. The recent complaints about some remarks made by Basil Brush are also an example. indication of of de
No one is allowed to say what they truly think any more
Try it. Go on, try.
Unless you say something like 'I hate black people' or 'women belong in the kitchen', I guarantee you won't be suppressed.
You might be argued against. In fact almost certainly will. But nobody will stop you saying what you think in the repressive way you're suggesting.
Try it. Go on, try.
Unless you say something like 'I hate black people' or 'women belong in the kitchen', I guarantee you won't be suppressed.
You might be argued against. In fact almost certainly will. But nobody will stop you saying what you think in the repressive way you're suggesting.
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