Ban the hood, ban the burka

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/39622/Ban- the-hood-for-good

If it is at all possible to "ban the hood", shouldn't there also be a call for the banning of the burka, especially since it was recently used to disguise a male in a recent shop robbery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=541369&in_page_i d=1770

[meglet]

Not on this evidence alone, no. Here you have one example of where a burka has been used in a crime and, although there may be a few other such examples, countless other crimes have been committed by youths in hoodies. Its beyond me why jewellery shop that has a bell, presumably so that they can allow access to only those that they deem safe, would open the door to someone who was 6ft and covered from head to toe!

[Kromovaracun]

Y'know, stockings are often used in robberies. Shall we ban those, too?

I wish people would stop acting like banning any kind of garment is going to make a smidge of difference to anything. Criminals aren't going to give two hoots about the legality of their mask.

Banning hoods or burkas or anything is both anti-libertarian and there's no evidence whatsoever to suggest that either would have any effect on crime.

For that reason, both ideas are impractical, pointless, and not a little sensationalist.

[meglet]

Kromovaracum, whilst I agree that banning the burka is not the answer, I think comparing it to robbers wearing stocking on their head is too simplistic. If someone walked down the street waering a stocking over their head they would quite rightly draw stares however women wearing burkas is an everyday occurence.

[vehelpfulguy]

>however women wearing burkas is an everyday occurence.

Unfortunately.

[Kromovaracun]

I was just trying to attack AOG's apparent 'criminals use it therefore it should be banned' logic.

[persianlady]

Yes ban them. I do not trust anyone who refuses to show their face. I cannot stand to see women kow-towing to men by covering their faces. Besides, it could be anyone under there. We are assuming it is a woman under there, but it could be anyone.

[flipnflap]

At a Spanish airport yesterday I saw two women in full Muslim gear boarding a plane to Leeds/Bradford. They weren't subjected to any more stringent checks than anyone else. Had I been a fellow passenger, I'd have wanted them thoroughly searched - in every nook and cranny, in fact - before being allowed to board. I don't trust 'em an inch. So yes, ban the burka...and Islam altogether.

[rojash]

Better ban crash helmets as well then... oh, but they're compulsory.
Reminds me of when they banned cigarette adverts on the tube after the fire. I think they should have just put up more pictures of fire extinguishers.

[stokemaveric]

mmmm now didnt 1 of the london bombers try to flee the country in full muslim dress????

[Kromovaracun]

We're going to 'ban muslims' now?

Because there's a popular conception that all muslims are involved in terrorism somehow (which seems to be the implication of this thread). Can anyone give me any real, direct evidence to suggest that this is the case? And I don't mean 'look at this bombing and that bombing' - I mean real, clear, credible evidence that muslims are hand-in-glove with terrorism.

[Supernick]

Shifty looking people dressed up in ridiculous religious garb should all be treated with suspicion and intolerance. I wouldn't let them on a plane without revealing their full heads. GET NUNS OFF PLANES NOW

[naomi24]

It's common sense to ask people to show their faces when going through airport security. If checks aren't made to ensure that the person travelling is, in fact, the passport holder, then there's no point in having photographs on passports.

[Theland]

Kromo - Try googling, 'the religion of peace.'

[jno]

here's another disguise we'd better ban since a criminal has used it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus_Bank_ Robbery

[Ethel]

It is not mandatory for Muslim women to wear the burkha. Most choose not to.

Anyone wearing a helmet is required to remove it before entering banks and many other premises.

In my local shopping centre (I hate the word mall) hoods are prohibited but burkhas aren't.

There have been many many instances of women in burkhas shoplifting. Probably the same per centage as people of other faiths, but it is impossible to identify them on CCTV.
I don't know what the answer is.

[naomi24]

The answer is there should be no concessions to any group of people for any reason. If faces are required to be uncovered in any particular situation, then the ruling must apply to all.

[Kromovaracun]

Theland:

Al-Qu'ran, 6:151:

...take not life, which God has made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that you may learn wisdom.

5:32

if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would as if he saved the life of the whole people.

So the Koran is really no more or less condoning of killing than the bible is. And it's just as ambiguous in places. Those terrorists aren't the mainstream in exactly the same way the Christian fundies aren't the mainstream of Christianity.

Thus 'banning islam' is not only totally overkill, but impractical and is far more likely to drive more people into the arms of terrorism than specifically targeting those who have committed atrocities is.

It never fails to astound me that people still believe in the C21 that individual members of whole religions or communities are are all implicit in the actions of each other. And that goes for Islamic fundies just as much as anyone else.

[rojash]

"but it is impossible to identify them on CCTV. " I can't believe you said that, Ethel. Since when has it been possible to identify anyone on CCTV? Even the police say that most CCTV systems, while possibly helping to make people members of the public feel more secure, have no useful role in crime solving, simply because the quality is so poor.