pensions we are being ripped of

[scorpious321]

unbelievable we are paying an extra 1000 pounds a year each for the council workers to give them a golden pension ?over the last eight years they have all put there wages up and all are on approx 50 k a year salary.
My county council chair woman was a mid wife and she admitted that her yearly salary was 250,000 a year plus expenses but she had worked her way up to that position ?probably all the way with her knickers down lol.She said if she was to go and work in the private sector she would be on more get real your only a mid wife lol.


who pays for your old age pension i pay for my own and so should they in the council that thousand pounds each would bring your council tax down ??????????????????

[amonty1144]

What complete nonsense, council workers are not all on 50k per year, there are a lot of load paid i.e below the national average working in the council
You are confusing council workers with councillors which are an entirely different thing.
Council workers also pay to their own pensions, just like everyone else.

[scorpious321]

what a load CRAP???

[sambro]

You are talking through your backside. where the hell are you getting your information from? The vast majority of council workers are low paid. Dinner ladies, school cleaners,caretakers, road sweepers, etc. they are on �7.000 an hour max. If you really want to know what your local council workers are earning, check out your local councils job vacancies. you can do it on line. Do it now and then come back and tell us you were wrong.

[persianlady]

scorpius321......You are talking crap. Check your facts. The majority of council workers earn just above minimum wage. They also contribute to the pension scheme. The minimum pension contribution is 5.9% of earnings, more if you earn more. Whilst i admit that the councillors are on a gravy train like most politicians the leader of the council is on nothing like the �250,000 you are quoting. How dare you suggest that a successful woman is only successful because she has dropped her knickersk, you chauvanstic imbecile. are you really as thick as you make out?

[THECORBYLOON]

I�ve just looked up the average council tax per dwelling in England for this Tax year and it�s �1,146 (the average for Band D is �1,374.) I�m intrigued as to the source of the �1,000 being the cost of providing council workers wi a pension. Do you have a link to back up this assertion?

[flip_flop]

Scorpious may be exagerrating the monetary amount - but it is a sad fact that 25% of our Council Tax does>/b> go into the pension pot of council workers, many of whom are on copper bottomed final salary schemes and many of whom are allowed to retire at 60.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/tax-advice/counci l-tax/article.html?in_article_id=421463&in_pag e_id=82

Those of us in the private sector are being told we must now work beyond 65 and, unless there is a company pension, must fund our own retirements.

Whichever way you look at it, 25% is far far far too much - but ignoring this ridiculous amount just for one moment, I genuinely cannot see why our council tax should pay for their pensions in the first place.

Get a personal pension like so many others have to.

The burden can be lessened by bringing retirement age for local government workers (local government workers - an oxymoron if ever I've heard one) in line with that of the private sector, and scrapping final salary schemes.

[flip_flop]

Don't quite know why is all went bold!!!

[New Judge]

Yes, flip_flop 25% does seem a bit excessive.

However, beware of the figures. Local councils receive only about 20% of their revenue through council tax. This means their revenue (per household) is about five times the council tax revenue. So even if it can be said, as claimed, that 25% of the council tax revenue may go on pensions (and without checking I�m not even sure that is correct) only about 5% of total council revenue goes on pensions.

Many large employers (even those who do not operate final salary pension schemes) contribute to their employees� pension pots. I cannot see any reason why national and local government departments should be any different in that respect. It is unfortunate that their only revenue stream is from the taxpayer.

The real question, of course, is not whether individuals working in those organisations have over-generous pension provisions. It is whether we need such large armies of people employed in the public sector (which has grown by about 600,000 in the last ten years) at all.

Now that would get me started!

[cruella]

I work for a local council and contribute each month to my pension.
I can assure you I will not be retiring with a huge pension. The rule of 85 applies to all employees.

[scorpious321]

actually 25 billion pounds a year the tax payer is paying in to the public sector for your pension and when i find this link i will post it

[THECORBYLOON]

I found a 2006 Daily Mail article which said, "On average each one of the 25m households in the country must pay �900 to meet this bill (public sector pensions) and, according to the experts, this figure will pass the �1,000 mark and go on increasing. This huge burden will have to be met by today's children when they start earning. "

The article made it clear it was taxpayers not council tax payers. Also, public sector workers include the police hospital employees doctors etc.

So then, the amount we pay is as you said but we don't pay it through wir council tax and we don't pay just for council workers!

[saxy_jag]

I am a common or garden council clerical worker who pays into the local government pension scheme. I earn a very modest wage, as does my boss, and together we earn a fraction of the budgets we manage. I am expected to work until I'm 65 and will then receive an equally modest pension. It's not a final salary scheme and neither will it be 'copper-bottomed'.

Through our income tax, my colleagues and I pay towards the pensions of every other public sector worker, just like the rest of you. Unlike those of you in the private sector, however, we will never benefit, during our working lives, from the staff discounts, bonus payments, performance related pay and share options etc that many of you get. Perks that are funded in part by the prices paid by the consumer, ie. me.

Tit for tat, as they say. I pay for your lifestyle now and you can return the favour when I retire.