Islamic law on rape?

[R1Geezer]

Why is the woman stoned or whatever for being raped? I would have though a little sympathy would be more in order!

[DrFilth]

birdie1971 where do you get all your info from

[naomi24]

birdie, I salute you.

[keyplus90]

Birdie - First of all you are talking about Pakistan Hudood Ordinance, which was influenced by a military dictator at that time to avert people attention towards artificial Islam to send people to Afghanistan for Jihad, which at that time was benefiting Americans because those people were fighting against Russia. Same Americans who are now declaring same people terrorists instead of Heroes. Hudood Ordinance was a small part of that ordinance. Still I do not think it says in that ordinance A rape victim need to produce 4 witnesses And trust me I have seen world out of any religion (not only Islam) and I know what I am saying. As I said before You are really a Birdie. And the biggest evidence in that is that Naomi is saluting you.

[R1Geezer]

Birdie, you are a genius and welcome to join the Geezer party any day!

[naomi24]

Keyplus Hudood Ordinance was a small part of that ordinance. Still I do not think it says in that ordinance A rape victim need to produce 4 witnesses And trust me I have seen world out of any religion (not only Islam) and I know what I am saying.

Take a look at this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527252/Mushar raf-faces-bitter-clash-over-rape-law-reforms.h tml

It seems you don't know what you're saying - and as for you having seen the world out of any religion, we've been here before - and we know you have only ever studied Islam - and you clearly haven't studied even that well enough.

Trust you? What a joker. I'd rather trust a killer shark. Oh, you really don't like intelligent women, do you, Keyplus?

Let's hope that those who want to re-write these laws succeed.

[DrFilth]

birdie1971 thank you for your answer, i got called for taking the morning star into work one day .they all said it was rubbish what have you bought that for and i said how do you know it is rubbish if you have never read it.i left it in the tea bar and you would be suprised how many people read it.mind you it was rubbish never bought it again !

[keyplus90]

Naomi - I have never been more thankful to you as I am now. You now why. Because you have proved my point to Birdie 1971. Because Musharaf was trying to change Huddod ordinance Birdie was talking about. And what did I say about that., Birdie - First of all you are talking about Pakistan Hudood Ordinance, which was influenced by a military dictator at that time to avert people attention towards artificial Islam to send people to Afghanistan for Jihad

That is one part of it. Now what Musharaf was trying to do is completely opposite what your beloved Daily Telegraph (A well known lobby against Islam) is saying. Musharaf was actually trying to legalize prostitution in Pakistan and was trying to cover it up with this so called Reform. No wonder Musharaf has done so much to make America and their allies happy that his favored party lost recent election so badly that there is no example in the history of Pakistan.
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/05/2 514f1b8-b2b3-454e-88b3-cf680fc10154.html

In the end I would say neither one introduced in 1979 had anything to do with islam nor the Refoms of Musharaf are what they sound like. As for your link, All you have to do is replace word Rape with Adultery and then you will have to read it with open eyes. And I will try to find exactly what Musharaf�s agenda was and may be you would like to read that. But you would be disappointed.

[keyplus90]

Although I am from Pakistan, but Pakistan or saudi Arabia or any country does not decide what Islam is. Islam is what Islamic teachings say. If you manipulate them to make someone happy, in this case West. Thene you may call it any thing but not Shariah. Full stop

[naomi24]

The only point I can see that I have proved is that a rape victim does need to produce four witnesses - just a Birdie said.

[naomi24]

'just AS Birdie said'

[monkeyeyes]

Keyplus, I'd be interested in reading the link supporting your statement that Gen. Musharraf was trying to legalise prostitution.

[ruby27]

As a feminist I deplore any religious or cultural practices that oppresses and subjugate women

However, I do feel non Muslim men shouldn't be so self congratulatory and smug about the track record in this country when responding to women victims of rape

- legislation 1994 including the inclusion of marital rape and male rape - after over 100 years of feminist
campaigning rape within marriage became illegal within the common law system. It wasn't British men that created that change
-- The incredibly high attrition rate for rape cases has been a major concern underpinning many criticisms of the current system. Criticisms made by feminist generally, not non Muslim men. Very few rapes are reported, those that do most do not go to court of those who get to court even less result in a conviction. Many victims of rape who do make a complaint talk of the experience of being interviewed by the police and cross examined as another violation

Reason why, is that in this country women do not have equality with men. Its certainly not as terrible as stoning, but there is still room for improvement and non Muslim men shouldn't throw stones when living in a greenhouse

[keyplus90]

You know what, I do not think you can impress any one with your propaganda. Ruby 27 has given you some hint. Do not waste my time and yours as well. I think your examples of fire in the building and this and that can not really impress anyone. If you can not read my words then I will make them Bold this time, Please give me a reference from authentic Islamic teachings. Saudi Arabia might have been ruled purely based on Quran according to you, but as far as I am concerned there is not even a single country in the world which has 100% Islamic laws and the reason is that they are forced to mix it up with Socialism, Capitalism, Communism, imperialism and so on sometimes to make western countries happy and some time to avoid sanctions. But I know you would not even consider thinking about it so I would leave you with whatever you want to propagate against Islam and as I said before, it will not make a blind bit of difference in the world where according to all the surveys Islam is the fastest growing religion..

But I would like to ask one question as you are appearing Well versed and knowledge is oozing out from every bit. What social, financial, criminal, and family system is the best and where in the world you think there are least social and criminal problems.