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John Leslie
I for one feel sorry for this bloke.
Since the debacle of a few years ago, where no charges were proven, he has carved out a successful property development business and has shunned the limelight.
Now, some charlatan, with the guarantee of anonimity, accuses him of a rape in 1995.
The allegation is completely unprovable - even if this woman has done a Lewinsky and saved a jizzed covered dress, it proves nothing.
Surely the time has come where the accused deserves anonimity, or if not, the accuser doesn't get anonmity.
Who believes he is right that "this is the mother of all stitch ups"?
Since the debacle of a few years ago, where no charges were proven, he has carved out a successful property development business and has shunned the limelight.
Now, some charlatan, with the guarantee of anonimity, accuses him of a rape in 1995.
The allegation is completely unprovable - even if this woman has done a Lewinsky and saved a jizzed covered dress, it proves nothing.
Surely the time has come where the accused deserves anonimity, or if not, the accuser doesn't get anonmity.
Who believes he is right that "this is the mother of all stitch ups"?
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The person who leaked this should be found, sacked and also charged (although no doubt there wont be a law against this sort of thing). If John leslie is innocent he should sue said person for bringing his name into disrepute. He should make a stand to let people know that if they leak sensitive information like this, they will be punished financially as they obviously did it for financial gain. No doubt that leaking this to the press would also hinder a potential court case as I am sure John Leslie could claim that he would receive a fair trial.
I'm with Ruby on this, there is no way of knowing if he did do it.
If we delved into the realms of probabilities and statistics its far more likely for a woman to be raped and not report it than for a woman to falsely accuse a man of rape. Although neither are unlikely to be possibilities here.
What does need reviewing is the whole way rapes are dealt with. Some years back my friend suffered one of the worst rapes I have ever heard of. She was attacked walking from school to the church. She was found unconcious and battered beyond recognition, despite the overwhelming evidence her life was still put on display for everyone to see, her dirty laundry was aired and she was made to feel like the guilty party to some extent. Given the choice to be able not to, I would never report a rape, if it happened to me but maybe my opinions would change over years. How long ago it may or may not have happened should have no bearing on the matter.
If he has done nothing then I feel incredibly sorry for the man but if he has the woman stands literally no chance of getting him convicted as lets face it, the chances of getting any rape allegation tried and convicted is nigh on impossible.
If we delved into the realms of probabilities and statistics its far more likely for a woman to be raped and not report it than for a woman to falsely accuse a man of rape. Although neither are unlikely to be possibilities here.
What does need reviewing is the whole way rapes are dealt with. Some years back my friend suffered one of the worst rapes I have ever heard of. She was attacked walking from school to the church. She was found unconcious and battered beyond recognition, despite the overwhelming evidence her life was still put on display for everyone to see, her dirty laundry was aired and she was made to feel like the guilty party to some extent. Given the choice to be able not to, I would never report a rape, if it happened to me but maybe my opinions would change over years. How long ago it may or may not have happened should have no bearing on the matter.
If he has done nothing then I feel incredibly sorry for the man but if he has the woman stands literally no chance of getting him convicted as lets face it, the chances of getting any rape allegation tried and convicted is nigh on impossible.
Lakitu. I have been where u have as well but I for one think this whole thing is a waste of time.
I think the woman is taking a chance of jumping on the band wagon and as pointed out in this thread will be selling her "shocking story" to the highest bidder.
I think she was reject by him and wants her pound of flesh.
But in doing this she has contributed to the reason why so many women don't report it because people like this making false claims waste police time and money and make it harder for any woman to be believed.
She hasn't gained any sympathy for herself but then thats not what she wants. SHe just wants the money.
I expect she will be on this morning next week and getting her own chat show by the end of next month.
I think the woman is taking a chance of jumping on the band wagon and as pointed out in this thread will be selling her "shocking story" to the highest bidder.
I think she was reject by him and wants her pound of flesh.
But in doing this she has contributed to the reason why so many women don't report it because people like this making false claims waste police time and money and make it harder for any woman to be believed.
She hasn't gained any sympathy for herself but then thats not what she wants. SHe just wants the money.
I expect she will be on this morning next week and getting her own chat show by the end of next month.
Hi tigs (hug)
But if this has been under investigation for 6 months, then why has she never appeared yet?
I'm neither saying she is lying nor being truthful, I'm just saying I'm giving them both the benefit of the doubt until it has reached some sort of conclusion.
There wasn't a bandwagon to jump on, not circa 10 years after the whole Ulrika episode and she hasn't made any money out of it so far.
But if this has been under investigation for 6 months, then why has she never appeared yet?
I'm neither saying she is lying nor being truthful, I'm just saying I'm giving them both the benefit of the doubt until it has reached some sort of conclusion.
There wasn't a bandwagon to jump on, not circa 10 years after the whole Ulrika episode and she hasn't made any money out of it so far.
No no, I know Ulrika made a few bucks out of it, I'm talking about this latest girl. She hasn't made money out of it this far nor is there a bandwagon to be jumped on this far down the line.
I'm pretty sure he won't have much money anymore for any kind of payout - unless he's been doing TV shows I've successfully avoided until now??
I'm pretty sure he won't have much money anymore for any kind of payout - unless he's been doing TV shows I've successfully avoided until now??
Lawyers are at the bottom of it all.
She operates under their instructions and to make money out of it now, simply because it will do her no good.
It just seems a bit odd that it all happened in 1995 and shes taken this long to say something.
He was well known then so why the wait?
I'm not making comparasons with Micheal 'jesus' jackson, but I wonder how many people thought about it just to make a buck. The whole celeb thing makes it really hard to do anything at all in these cases simply because there is always the money element.
If he did do it her case is shot because of the same reason he will site. Trial by media.
She operates under their instructions and to make money out of it now, simply because it will do her no good.
It just seems a bit odd that it all happened in 1995 and shes taken this long to say something.
He was well known then so why the wait?
I'm not making comparasons with Micheal 'jesus' jackson, but I wonder how many people thought about it just to make a buck. The whole celeb thing makes it really hard to do anything at all in these cases simply because there is always the money element.
If he did do it her case is shot because of the same reason he will site. Trial by media.
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