Who's toes are you treading on?

[anotheoldgit]

It's now official we are now the most crowded country in Europe.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-105639 0/Its-official--England-MOST-crowded-country-E urope-thanks-immigration.html

Quotes from the report:

England has taken its position as the most crowded country in Europe at a point when the risk of economic recession has led to growing concern over diminishing numbers of jobs and pressure on public services.


Beyond Europe, England's population density is among the highest in the world. Of countries with a population of at least 10million, England ranks third in density after Bangladesh (1,045 per sq km) and South Korea (498 per sq km).

Who's got the front and backdoor keys?

[Gromit]

I always thought Malta was in Europe.

[Gromit]

On this link, we are the 10th behind Netherlands and Belgium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_populati on_of_European_countries

[Gromit]

Immigration is undoubtedly a factor in our in creased population, but so is the fact that more people are living longer.

"The growing number of older people is partly due to a fall in the annual number of deaths - from 599,000 in 2001 to 571,000 last year.

The over-80s in particular are living longer.
They were the fastest growing age group, the ONS said, accounting for more than 5% of the population.

The number of over-80s has risen by more than 1.2 million since 2001, largely due to medical advances that have improved survival rates."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7575869.stm

So it is all your fault AOG

[anotheoldgit]

The only country in the European Union with greater crowding is Malta. The Mediterranean island is a special case because it has only 400,000 people, most of whom live around the port of Valletta.

Read the link Gromit !!!!!!!!!!!!!

So it is all your fault AOG<i/>

Oh, so it is not down to uncontrolled immigration then Gromit? Don't they also live longer in Germany and other countries?

[Kromovaracun]

England isn't a country. It's thus an unfair comparison with the Netherlands (which the author incorrectly calls 'Holland', when the statistics given in the same article call it the Netherlands). If you include the rest of the UK it's actually about 244/sq. km according to Nation Master

Oh, so it is not down to uncontrolled immigration then Gromit? Don't they also live longer in Germany and other countries?

Firstly, you're taking Germany as a whole country (which you're not in the case of England, which is a region). Second, Germany has a much higher population overall than we do. Third, Germany is much bigger geographically.

[Kromovaracun]

Actually, my link is out-of-date. Ignore my post - the link's source is taken from numbers in 1999.

I'll shop around for a more updated one.

[Lonnie]

True, England isn't a country by itself, hasn't been since 1707, Britain is the country, of which England is the largest part, and in which most people live.

Here endeth the history lesson.

Immigration, aog is right, but I believe, its what this goverment wants, and since it got in, has done all it can to encourage this present state of affairs.

The real question, is why?.

[Gromit]

Gromit: "Immigration is undoubtedly a factor in our increased population"

AOG: Oh, so it is not down to uncontrolled immigration then Gromit?

Read your own link AOG:
"The two MPs said yesterday: 'The Government have now been obliged to recognise that England is projected to catch up with Holland this year as the most crowded country in Europe"

For further reading:

"The National Statistician Karen Dunnell prompts me to re-open our recent discussion on crowded Britain. ...our place at or near the top of European population density tables has been maintained for roughly 200 years."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markea ston/2008/09/englands_legacy_as_an_urbanise.ht ml

[Lucy Thomas]

The first and last lines of your post are incorrect. Both lines should begin with 'whose' not 'who's'.

[THECORBYLOON]

One of the German Federal States, North Rhine-Westphalia,
has a population density of 1,368 /sq mile (528 /km�) with a population of about 18 million, so England has a way to go still.

[Jugglering]

Lucy... only the first line of AOG's statement should start "Whose toes are you treading on"... the final line is correct, in that it stands for "Who has got the front and backdoor keys ?"

But the incorrect grammar doesn't actually worry me because the meaning is clear and there is no ambiguity.... I'm a little more worried about the assumption that England is the same as the UK - it's NOT !!!!

[Lucy Thomas]

Troll patrol. Please explain why having standards makes me an ar5ehole?

[jake-the-peg]

Lucy if you're going to be pedantic about spelling please do it it arts and literature - I think we all understood what was being said and here that is what is important.

It doesn't matter wat the population densitiy of England or Britain or France is.

I don't live in the whole of England nor do any of us.

What is important is the population density in our local communities.

The population density of Paris is way over what it is in London but France has much larger areas of low population.

This is clearly an artificially manipulated statistic to please those with an "I don't like Johnny Foreigner" agenda..

[Kromovaracun]

True, England isn't a country by itself, hasn't been since 1707, Britain is the country, of which England is the largest part, and in which most people live.

But this is about the population densities of countries. Not regions. The fact that the stat excludes Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland is very significant because it ignores quite a lot of land. Thus the population density of the country is likely much lower.

It also means that England is not a fair comparison with the Netherlands, or Germany. Which is exactly what the article does.

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I know Wiki is dodgy, but it'll do for now. The most recent I could find was the estimate for 2005 (cited as being from the UN World Prospects Report), which has the UK as 244/sq km

Another NationMaster table which is more up-to-date (a target='_blank' href=")" target="_blank"rel="nofollow">http://www.nationmaster.com/time.php?stat=geo_ pop_den_peo_per_sq_km&country=uk#source">he re) has the UK as a whole at 248/sq km in 2005.

I know there's still a three-year gap but it does show you how much difference there is between England and the UK - so to focus on the England stat is frankly just scaremongering.

[Quinlad]

If they're choosing to focus on England, rather than the UK, they might as well focus their study even more tightly.

Like London. Or a block of flats.

Better still, the patch of earth I'm standing on has a population density of around 100,000,000/sq km. Probably down to immigration.

[lynbrown]

Lucy - keep up your standards, I agree with you. Sadly, you made your own error with the second who's, so that should show you how easy it is to make a mistake. I think standards do matter and wish that the schools placed more emphasis on correct spelling.

[sp1814]

anotheoldgit

Does the Mail also print a like-for-like set of stats: UK vs Germany...something like that.

If it doesn't, it gets difficult to debate the figures because they aren't 'fair', if you see what I mean.

[anotheoldgit]

Blimey, I did not realise that since I went to bed last night, England had suddenly changed from being a country into being a region.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20 071202154957AAEWDAk

If you had scrolled down the report sp1814 I think you would have found a chart that gives a comparison between England and Germany.

England has 395 people per square Kilometer.

Germany has 232 people per square kilometer.

[sp1814]

anotheoldgit

No - I mean like for like...figures for the UK as a whole, not just part of the UK.

Comparing England (which is just partof the UK) to the whole of Germany isn't quite right.