Whites, ah bless 'em

[sp1814]

In the interests of balance:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7631734.stm

This is particularly disturbing, because after killing her child, she drove around with the body for eight hours on the back seat.

Are white people getting increasingly aggressive to their own children, or is my question as ignorant as the one below?

I think I know what the answer is, but I'd welcome comments.

[monkeyeyes]

Interesting, AOG.
Do you have anything up-to-date ? Anything less than 10 years old ?

[anotheoldgit]

According to the 2001 Home Office census, Britain's black community makes up just 2 per cent of the total population. Yet each year around a third of all shooting victims are black. About one in 10 victims are of Asian origin, a population that makes up just 4 per cent of Britain's total.

Here is somemore interesting reading :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_dep th/uk/2002/race/the_hidden_victims.stm

[anotheoldgit]

Do you think then monkeyeyes, that things have got better in the last 10 years?

I don't think so somehow.

[monkeyeyes]

RR - of course there are ills in the world, some of us just aren't as simplistic to blame it all on people of different colour....

[anotheoldgit]

Have a go at drawing a line between crime and low income.

Or perhaps a line between low-motivation and low income.

There are plenty of people on low incomes, but they don't all turn to Drug Dealing and Gun Crime.

[monkeyeyes]

all ????

[sp1814]

Gromit

Your iPod?

Yeh...I know the problems. I just got an iTouch for my birthday. Love it, but typing on it? Not so good.

[Quinlad]

Don't tabloid-ise this, AOG. Stick with it. You can do it.

There's a clear link between poverty and crime. Always has been. And poverty begets poverty - it's a cycle. The 'well, if they just worked a bit harder' argument is la-la land. That's the sort of line Naomi trots out.

Many of the UK's poorest people are from ethnic minorities, so it stands to reason that they'd be disproportionally represented in crime figures. It's selective to pick out race as the determining factor.

Many of the UK's poorest people also have low-quality diets. Research could just as easily tell you that crime is committed by a disporoprtionate number of Pot Noodle eaters.

The reason you go with race is because you can see and point to the colours, like a kid in a special school.

[sp1814]

Raggy

Sorry - catching up after lunch.

I think that crime is a multi-organed creature. To lay the blame on one single facet of the criminal doesn't make any sense.

Should we ignore every other factor when we look at the background of criminals? Family background? Educational attainment? Drug use? Stabilising factors (father at home, religious standing etc)?

If poverty isn't a factor, why are there so few middle class bank robbers, muggers, pickpockets?

Let's not confuse 'excuse' with 'source' though. I'm not saying that poverty should be considered an excuse, but it's one of many sources.

One other thing...in my opinion, the biggest factor behind what turns someone into a criminal is poor education. If you leave school and go to a technical college, or a with a fistful of A levels, you are less likely to turn to crime, because you have options.

Options are the key, not your racial background.

My opinion...I have no stats to back this up.

[anotheoldgit]

Tetjam

Figures from the Office for National Statistics show that, as of 2006, London's foreign-born population is 2,288,000 (31%), up from 1,630,000 in 1997.

The 2001 census showed that 27.1% of Greater London's population were born outside the UK, and a slightly higher proportion were classed as non-white.

This is why things have got worse since some of those earlier stats. were published.

[naomi24]

I haven't said a word, so don't bring me into this, Quinlad!

(Incidentally, since you mentioned it, if some people did work a bit harder - or in some cases, worked at all - they may just find themselves a little better off).

[sp1814]

AOG

I've now reluctantly accepted that this thread has moved into a whole new (old) area...but...

It's a great pity that we can't lay our hands on any figures show crime stats amongst black families with an annual household income in excess of �80,000.

Also, what would be really interesting would be the same crime figures showing the crime levels of black men and women between the ages of 21 and 30 who have been to university.

I reckon these figures, if available would completely muddy the water making it difficult to (and there's no other way of putting this) see things in black and white.

[sp1814]

Kids...I'm going to have to leave this thread now.

Got to configure a Windows server then do my Spanish homework (the world would be so much better if everyone spoke English).

Been some interesting new points mad (and some frankly nasty comments by one poster), but I don't think any of us are closer to accepting the alternative point of view!

[anotheoldgit]

,i>Family background? Educational attainment? Drug use? Stabilising factors (father at home, religious standing etc)

I am afraid these are simplistic excuses regularly wheeled out by the Liberal thinkers.

Are you saying also that for some reason that people of Black origin get a lesser standard of education than any other?

There has been much written by anthropologists that different races have different characteristics that are inbred into them over thousands upon thousands of years.

[keyplus90]

Family background and of course a close knit family structure where parents should be a role model and then they should be aware of what their kids are upto. I have kids of my own but my mother and father still show their anger and discomfort if they are not happy with any thing I do or say. That is the reason I am so well behaved.