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What qualifies this man to be chancellor of the exchequer?
His degree in History?
The fact that he was a member of the same upper class dining club at Oxford as Cameron?
Even the Telegraph commenators today have said he's out of his depth.
Do people think he should go and if so does Cameron have the killer instinct to sack a friend?
His degree in History?
The fact that he was a member of the same upper class dining club at Oxford as Cameron?
Even the Telegraph commenators today have said he's out of his depth.
Do people think he should go and if so does Cameron have the killer instinct to sack a friend?
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As I am often accused of being partisan in many matters (even Climate Change) perhaps this will help redress the balance.
I do not believe the Conservatives (with or without Ozzy Osbourne) would have handled the current problems any better or worse that the current administration.
We are in a position in this country where, like it or not, the government governs and the opposition opposes. The opposition has not opposed much the government has done in the financial crisis not because they lack the will, but because there is little alternative other than to let millions of savers lose their savings.
We may have been in a better position to weather the storm had not billions of pounds of taxpayers' cash been wasted during the boom times. It was not saved because we were told that the days of "boom and bust" were over.
And salmon live in trees and eat pencils for their breakfast.
I do not believe the Conservatives (with or without Ozzy Osbourne) would have handled the current problems any better or worse that the current administration.
We are in a position in this country where, like it or not, the government governs and the opposition opposes. The opposition has not opposed much the government has done in the financial crisis not because they lack the will, but because there is little alternative other than to let millions of savers lose their savings.
We may have been in a better position to weather the storm had not billions of pounds of taxpayers' cash been wasted during the boom times. It was not saved because we were told that the days of "boom and bust" were over.
And salmon live in trees and eat pencils for their breakfast.
Cameron (and Osbourne) have been rumbled by this event.
Cameron has done quite a good job at re-positioning the Tories as more caring and green which are traditional Labour strong points. Unfortunately, the look and spin are right, but there is no substance behind it. The expertise is not there.
Brown's "Not a time for a novice" putdown of Osbourne could have caused a lot of offense. It didn't, because it was true.
Cameron has done quite a good job at re-positioning the Tories as more caring and green which are traditional Labour strong points. Unfortunately, the look and spin are right, but there is no substance behind it. The expertise is not there.
Brown's "Not a time for a novice" putdown of Osbourne could have caused a lot of offense. It didn't, because it was true.
Can you lefties get your head out of your ar5es. Pass the sick bucket. Bl00dy hell your man got somthing right! great he's been praised from the roof tops now stop bl00dy gloating. You seem to take the fact that the Tories are not sla66ing it off or offering alternatives as some sort of indication they have no idea. No No No, the Tories agree, simple, just becasue they are not opposing for the sake of it doesn't mean they would not have sorted it themselves. As for Osbourne's suitability I think I'd get out of that particular glass house if I was you. How many Noo labour ministers since 97 have had trouble telling ar5e from elbow. Brown was bl00dy hopless as chancellor anyway and it ain't a 1 man show, the Treasury is full of Sir Humphrey types, the chancellor's just the front man.
You got one right, great congrats now get over it!
You got one right, great congrats now get over it!
That's not the point Geezer.
Before Brown came up with the plan there was plenty of time for Osbourne to step in and point out the way.
There was a deafening silence.
From a political perspective it was an open goal.
The question is not about whether Brown did the right or wrong thing but whether Osbourne could have done as well.
I have an awful feeling that he is simply in his job because of his friendship with Cameron.
Do we really believe that of all the Tory MP's the best man for the job just happens to be David's pal Ozzy?
If Cameron is going to appoint staff he knows and feels comfortable with that's one thing
But if he's going to retain them when they've not capable of the role that's a very different thing.
And it doesn't bode well
Whatever you may think of her Margaret Thatcher was certainly never slow to swing the knife when someone wasn't up to the job.
But then maybe Cameron's not the man she was
Before Brown came up with the plan there was plenty of time for Osbourne to step in and point out the way.
There was a deafening silence.
From a political perspective it was an open goal.
The question is not about whether Brown did the right or wrong thing but whether Osbourne could have done as well.
I have an awful feeling that he is simply in his job because of his friendship with Cameron.
Do we really believe that of all the Tory MP's the best man for the job just happens to be David's pal Ozzy?
If Cameron is going to appoint staff he knows and feels comfortable with that's one thing
But if he's going to retain them when they've not capable of the role that's a very different thing.
And it doesn't bode well
Whatever you may think of her Margaret Thatcher was certainly never slow to swing the knife when someone wasn't up to the job.
But then maybe Cameron's not the man she was
As I understand it
1) The idea cane from Sweeden 10 yrs ago
2) It was our Melvyn from the Bank of England who devised it all.
Bottler as usual is just soaking the glory.
The Tories, as other parties around the world have all united on this one. What is the choice, oppose and bring down the worlds economy? It is well known there were meetings between Osbourne and The puppet with big eybrows abd Browns hand up his a*se.
One amusing point from all of this. Obama and Brown are getting the credit. The credit for what ? Well saving Capitalism of course.
Chomp on that pinkos
1) The idea cane from Sweeden 10 yrs ago
2) It was our Melvyn from the Bank of England who devised it all.
Bottler as usual is just soaking the glory.
The Tories, as other parties around the world have all united on this one. What is the choice, oppose and bring down the worlds economy? It is well known there were meetings between Osbourne and The puppet with big eybrows abd Browns hand up his a*se.
One amusing point from all of this. Obama and Brown are getting the credit. The credit for what ? Well saving Capitalism of course.
Chomp on that pinkos
The fact is, jake, that few politicians (of any persuasion) are particularly adept at handling any sort of crisis. All the work is done by the humble functionaries in the Civil Service. They come up with the ideas and their political masters choose the one that best suits their dogma, sign the papers and then go on telly to tell everybody how wonderful they all are and how they�ve saved the world.
One only has to look at the way cabinet reshuffles move so called experts from their particular field to become, within days, experts in a completely different field. Hence we see a former postman �running� the health service and a junior defence minister, six weeks into the job, telling the head of the Army that his idea that morale was low in the Army was wrong.
They are all the equivalent of professional journeymen who move about the political business as their mood, ambition (and the taxpayers� money) take them.
One only has to look at the way cabinet reshuffles move so called experts from their particular field to become, within days, experts in a completely different field. Hence we see a former postman �running� the health service and a junior defence minister, six weeks into the job, telling the head of the Army that his idea that morale was low in the Army was wrong.
They are all the equivalent of professional journeymen who move about the political business as their mood, ambition (and the taxpayers� money) take them.
Even though he'd describe me, no doubt, as a leftie muesli-muncher, I agree with Ri (good grief!) in that the Tories' failure to oppose the Government's actions shouldn't be taken as anything more than a signal that they actually do agree. It's not their job to come up with an alternative plan for the sake of it, not would it have been proper for them to rush out their plan before the "official" one. That would probably have been yet another destabilising influence.
We don't know how Osbourne would be as Chancellor. But he'll have to have significant input into the Tory manifesto for the next election. There's time enough before then to judge his qualifications for the job.
We don't know how Osbourne would be as Chancellor. But he'll have to have significant input into the Tory manifesto for the next election. There's time enough before then to judge his qualifications for the job.
Do you really think the plan was all Darling/Brown's work? Jake you're a nuclear physicist for Christ Sake. Some backroom economics student on a shilling a week probably mentioned it to his boss and he mentioned it to his boss and Brown found it on the photocopier one day and whoopie manner from heaven, better fire the underling in case he tries to take credit!
jake's point perhaps wasn't that the Tories agreed with Labour, but that they had time to say so before Brown presented his plan but didn't. A good opposition would have seen all this coming, put forward its own proposal, and then chortled if the governent adopted it. (I don't see that there would have been anything destabilising about this; it's always a proper part of an opposition's programme to say how they'd run the country even if it means, say, opposing a war, or 42-day detentions.) Osborne failed to do so.
Gromit
He wouldnt have needed to. As other posts on here point out somehting like this is not the idea of any politician,
Get real in this case it was NOT Bottlers idea, he was just front man. just as Cameron/Bush/Obama/Mcain whoever would have been.
It needed ALL countries to take part or would not have stood a chance.
The proof of how good any of them are will be in the coming months as recession starts to bite.
Browns idea is usually more public servants - should be interesting.
By the way we now have to pay back this brass, so watch out for huge tax rises.
Bottler must have loved it though, falls nicely into his scorched earth policy for the next Tory Government,
He wouldnt have needed to. As other posts on here point out somehting like this is not the idea of any politician,
Get real in this case it was NOT Bottlers idea, he was just front man. just as Cameron/Bush/Obama/Mcain whoever would have been.
It needed ALL countries to take part or would not have stood a chance.
The proof of how good any of them are will be in the coming months as recession starts to bite.
Browns idea is usually more public servants - should be interesting.
By the way we now have to pay back this brass, so watch out for huge tax rises.
Bottler must have loved it though, falls nicely into his scorched earth policy for the next Tory Government,
Browns idea is usually more public servants - should be interesting.
Not sure how you can say usually, when Brown has never had to deal with a recession before. The statement is of course totally wrong, there will be job losses in the public sector.
10,000 jobs go as crunch hits the public sector
Nearly 10,000 jobs are to be lost and up to 100 courts could close as budget cuts hit the public sector.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics /article4945283.ece
Not sure how you can say usually, when Brown has never had to deal with a recession before. The statement is of course totally wrong, there will be job losses in the public sector.
10,000 jobs go as crunch hits the public sector
Nearly 10,000 jobs are to be lost and up to 100 courts could close as budget cuts hit the public sector.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics /article4945283.ece
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