So much for our liberal society, what now?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-109061 2/Brits-casual-sex-league.html

Why is it Britain is always top in the wrong things?

Football, Pathetic.
Cricket, Deplorable.
Rugby, Pitiful.
Tennis, Poor.

Yet when it comes to binge drinking, teenaged mothers, and now casual sex. we are amongst the top.

[Curvylady]

Not getting your share ?

[Whickerman]

Congratulations on that!

Can you recommend anywhere in particular for a weekend away?

[Booldawg]

We love slating our own; actually we're the best at it. Everyone else loves slating us too but they're crap.

[Gromit]

Why do you constantly run our Country down? There are plenty of things we are great at, but you conveniently overlook them and pick up on all the negative things.

You are always on here, claiming the country has gone to the dogs and how terrible it is. It isn't, it is still a great country, and we should be proud of it.

Strange that a story about sex makes you think of sporting failure. I don't see the connection myself.

And you are wrong about that too. We are world champions at Motor Racing, Sailing and cycling. We have the best football league in the world. Wales trounced Australia at rugby yesterday (or don't you count them as British).

[JockSporran]

Britain used to set the example when it came to morals. But as the Empire and British cultural influence fell away, other countries regarded brits as prudish and sexually reserved. Englishmen in particular were jokingly made out to be sexually inadequate. So modern brits are out to show the world otherwise. Young English men want to prove their 'masculinity' and young English women want their 'fun' too.

[rov1200]

Britain used to top the league when it came to handing out Nobel prizes. Now despite the money ploughed into research we hardly get a mention. This is despite the extra money put into education. Some say our dumbed down education is the fault, ie the removal of grammar schools, the introduction of comprehensives, exams being made easier, the lack of discipline in our schools, teachers taking more rewarding jobs such as plumbers. but basically just lack of respect.

[tigerlily11]

Shame it's not an olympic event.

[anotheoldgit]

Strange that a story about sex makes you think of sporting failure. I don't see the connection myself.

Lighten up a little Gromit,

Perhaps that's why we are not very good at sport, we are too kna**ed.

Our cricketers and footballers have been criticised for their performance when abroad, hence the ban on WAGs.and It's not only when they are abroad, if the kiss and tell stories are anything to go by.

Incidently I am not constantly running down our country, only the way the way our country is being run down, while the liberal minded such as you in your rose tinted specs are prepared to see it fall into the abyss.

Maybe we are now World champions at motor racing for the first time in years, and didn't do bad at sailing and cycling in the Olympics, the best football league in the world? ( this is debatable) largely backed by foreign money, regarding Wales beating Australia at rugby on Saturday, maybe but this was one match, the other season at cricket we won the Ashes back from them, but look at us now. The trouble is we are not consistent.

[Quinlad]

Personally, I like this country a lot.

[123everton]

Apparently what we need is more and better sex education (now rebranded to sex and relationship education) to rid us of our prudish sexual habits.
I see little evidence of this coyness in town of a weekend, or in Ibiza etc.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Obviously we shouldn't let facts get in the way of a good rant, but countries that have the very sex education classes you mock have lower rates of teen pregnancy and later age of commencement of sexual activity.

[123everton]

Different countries have different cultures.
How can one teach a child (let alone an adult) what constitutes a good healthy relationship?
I've dated several teachers and know several more, they all seem to lead the most chaotic private lives and troubled home lives and childhoods imaginable.
The best sermon is a good example, we were told (by the media) that marriage does'nt matter and that it's just a piece of paper, anecdotally it seems to me that all the societys tha have marriage at their core are the ones that succeed at having something resembling social cohesion.
Why must children be taught things like the outer course?
Why not teach them the value of the word no?
That not every relationship has to be sexual or sexualised?
That there are worse names to be called than fridge?
How many times do you see Leanne such and such sucks.....
Ah progress.

[WaldoMcFroog]

"Different countries have different cultures. "

Indeed they do; some have grown up attitudes towards sex and sexuality and take a sensible approach towards educating their children rather than adopting a "hear no, see no, speak no" approach like the British do.

[123everton]

Not really where is this see no hear no attitude?
It's not on the telly, it's not in the movies and it certainly is'nt in the streets and bars.
Since the 1980s we've had more and more sex education and since the 1980s we have had more child pregnancies.
What benefit can be derived by getting 6th formers (showing my age) teaching 3rd years how to give a wnak?

[WaldoMcFroog]

No, it's an attitude of those in authority towards kids. They refuse to deal with the problem by pretending it doesn't exist and if someone dare suggest educating the little darlings, it gets dressed up as '6th formers showing 3rd formers how to have a wnak', which is ever so slightly hysterical.

[123everton]

Erm no, I watched a show on that very subject which was very much in support of the outer course, it talked in depth about it's content and showed just that.
A sixth former telling a third year about mutual masturbation and how to put on a condom.
We are reinforcing failure with the current models of sex education and I'd say that the ones who formulate policy on this should go now and let someone else of the opposing view try.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Since they haven't even started the new sex education proposals, I'd argue it was rather too soon to judge them.

[123everton]

So what's you're solution to to the problem of children getting pregnant?
Do you think the outer course is a good idea that may work?
I feel this country's gone mad, a child under 13 cannot consent to sex under any circumstances but a 12 year old can ask for the morning after pill in confidence, how can you have what is in effect a victim of crime being aided and abetted in covering up this crime by a so called responsible person?
I wonder how the Police would view it?

[WaldoMcFroog]

Sex education, along the lines of the Scandinavian model. You educate them early, before they start learning about sex from each other rather than responsible sources and before it becomes funny or embarrasing.

There's no point waiting until they're having sex and getting pregnant because they're completely f___ing ignorant and then waving one's hands in the air and saying 'what a to-do!'

As for thinking it's mad that a 12 year old can get morning after contraception, for sex which is illegal, it's unquestionably terrible, but it's considerably better than not giving them access to it.