Ian Tomlinson

[Drivel]

Died of an "abdominal haemorrhage"

[daffy654]

That is a very vague term. It could mean he had a bleeding ulcer or ruptured spleen,or many other things.

[rov1200]

Where's the link?

[Drivel]

why was this missed on the first post-mortem?

[Leo-Ireland]

The push he suffered would have been enough to rupture the aorta. The policeman who assaulted him has killed him.
But I wouldn't want to be holding my breath waiting to see justice in this case.

[Drivel]

no link rov, it is on sky news now.

[paraffin]

Far too early to link this directly to the infamous incident of the other week.

Don't forget, there's an ongoing IPCC enquiry which will probably take months before its findings are made public.

Only then will questions be able to be conclusively answered.

[Drivel]

don't be stupid ^

[daffy654]

Last time I studied biology was years ago but I was sure the heart isn't in the abdomen Leo-Ireland,mine is in my chest/thorax.

[jake-the-peg]

The push he suffered would have ruptured his Aorta?

How come I don't have hundreds of deaths a year in my Karate club?

[rov1200]

Here's a separate link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8004222.stm

[paraffin]

drivel:

You are the one being "stupid" if you believe in trial by television. If you wish to live up to your username, then keep saying similar things.

I don't know where YOU'RE coming from but I'M basing my opinions on many years involvement with law enforcement which deals in "innocent until proven guilty".

My comments are impartial and objective, not prejudiced and blinkered like some subscribers to this post.

[Leo-Ireland]

daffy654,
it must have been a very long time since you studied biology. The abdominal aorta extends 'southward'.

[whifffey]

If your aorta is ruptured, you die AT ONCE.

[paraffin]

Steve:

The word "alleged" has to be used simply because nothing so far has been proven or otherwise in a Court of Law which I believe they even have in Liverpool, do they not?

[Drivel]

paraffin
Wed 15/04/09
15:59 When people are NOT protesting in a PEACEFUL manner, but instead are THREATENING and PROVOCATIVE, they have to expect a positive Police response.

The woman came into the above category and was dealt with accordingly.

Had there not been an overwhelmingly outnumbered Police presence there, full scale rioting would have been the order of the day.

Put the blame where it REALLY belongs, at the door of those disparate, lawless rabble rousers hell bent on mayhem and anarchy, NOT at our law enforcers who have an impossible and thankless job to do.
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paraffin
Fri 17/04/09
15:52

My comments are impartial and objective, not prejudiced and blinkered like some subscribers to this post.

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Of course they are.

[jake-the-peg]

Don't buy that Drivel

Looking at the footage I think the Policeman in the Tomlinson case was not over-reacting - Tomlinson was ignoring him - The force does not seem extreme.

Looking at the footage of the woman - again the blow with the hand does not look out of context but the follow up with the baton looks completely unnecessary.

Your attitude seems to echo others on here who think the law should not be applied equally but should be biased in favour of a certain type of person that you approve of personally.

Despite what the Mail seems to think the Police are not there to protect the middle classes from the "rabble"

[paraffin]

Drivel:

You really must get out more - clearly you've been trawling around desperately trying to find some contradiction or other to throw back at me. Sorry, but you have failed.

15/04/09: What was inaccurate about my observation?

Was the woman not acting in a threatening and provocative manner which justified a positive Police response? Yes to both halves of the question.

Were the Police overwhelmingly outnumbered? Yes.
Had they not been there, would a full-scale riot have ensued? Yes.

Are there not disparate, lawless rabble rousers hell bent on mayhem and anarchy at such demonstrations? Yes.

My comments are therefore impartial and objective, not prejudiced and blinkered. 17/04/09.

That is because I live within the Law of England and Wales and not only respect the impossible job asked of our law enforcers, I know from first-hand experience how difficult and thankless a task it is, especially when mischief makers and agitators have no agenda other than try to undermine those people who put their lives on the line in our names every day.