where are all the islamophiles?

[R1Geezer]

At least Vic's had ago at the Muslim question below, a bit quiet perhaps, but where are te rest of the "Islam is good" brigade, you know the ones who are quite happy with the religion of peace, the silence is deafening!

[Oneeyedvic]

But the fact remains that Islam�s aim is to convert the entire world into an Islamic world.

We go back to the old question - how many people in Islamic countries have been converted? Or killed for not believing.

You can print words that you think come from the Koran, but please, why not back these words up by showing us how all these people have been killed.

Answer - you can't.

Now lets think why it is you can't.

Is it possible that the majority of Muslims are actually law abiding citizens who (like most Christians) go to the mosque (Church), give the appearance of listening and then go back home and carry on their day as usual?

Instead of relying on reports that appear to castigate ALL Muslims, why not actually look at the real world and realise that I have met Muslim people, they know that I am not a Muslim and I am still alive.

[Oneeyedvic]

Your BNP analogy is fine. As you say, I personally don't like the BNP (and since my parents came here from Sri Lanka I have good reason to not like them).

That said, I don't have an issue with them. They are spreading further and wider and getting more support.

Do I think that they will ever become a main stream party - I really don't think so. In fact, if they did ever come to power, being honest I wouldn't want to live here - not just because of their policies - but because my views would be vastly different to the majority of the electorate.

Do I describe them as a cancerous or do I say that they shouldn't be allowed. No. In fact I will defend their rights as much as possible.

I have also stated that one of my good friends is a BNP supporter. I like him despite some of his views.

I am curious - If one of your good friends became a Muslim convert, would you drop him / her?

[keyplus90]

Birdie lets put it like this. I do not have time to go back and check all the links. Ok, take that offer now.

And please do not forget to answer my two answers and one of those answers will satisfy Vic as well.

[keyplus90]

birdie1971
Fri 22/05/09
19:42
���Try going to Iran (or Iraq, Sudan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) to convert people away from Islam � you'll soon find out how tolerant 'the religion of peace' really is.

If you answer my previous question which Vic is waiting for the answer too then you may clarify this allegation as well. Because let me tell you one thing that all those countries excluding Saudi Arabia allow you to preach whatever you like. Saudi Arabia do not allow in public as they say that any religion�s scholars or experts should first talk to Muslim scholars and prove that they are sure about their own teachings before trying to teach it to someone else.
This person was chief Justice of Pakistan and he still is alive and still is a Hindu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rana_Bhagwandas

Finally why I ask only you for a face to face debate? Well you have shown that reason here too. Just about one hour I did not reply to your question as all of us have others thing in life too, and as usual this is what you are posting�.

birdie1971
Fri 22/05/09
19:51 Come on Keyplus � I'm still waiting for the link to your magnificent offer

No one else becomes so desperate here so face to face may give you a chance to get rid of all your anxieties. But I will excuse you for that.

Vic- I can bet if you carry on with my little birdie like this then you will keep going round a round in circle and he will confuse you with his looooooooooooong posts that would not make any sense or point.

[JockSporran]

Go Muslims! It's time somebody stood up to infidels, unbelievers, atheists, white supremacists and the Satan of western imperialism. Allah u Akbar!!

[123everton]

Is Nepal a Muslim or a Hindu country, I always thought it was the latter.

[keyplus90]

Come on birdie. do not try confusing others using your same tactics.

Offer, if it was not made then it is there now. So what do you think?

And yes still answers to those two questions please. Be precise as people do not have time to waste.
Is this what you said�.

birdie1971
Fri 22/05/09
23:12 Keyplus - �Could you please give me a reference about, little birdie clearly states that it's fine to deceive people who do not follow Islam.�


Here's one...

"Birdie said, 'Who is willing to kill keyplus who has hurt little birdie and his faith in no god?' Thereupon another birdie got up saying, 'O my little birdie! Would you like me to kill him?' The Little Birdie said, 'Yes,' Other birdie said, 'Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.' The little birdie said, 'You may say such things.'"


QED � my little birdie encourages deception.

There you go It is so easy to create your own Hadith and that is the reason I said I need ref for Hadith from Muhammad (pbuh) and not birdie (pbuh). So be sensible and give me a reference that where is this Hadith and you are clever enough to understand what I am after. Only then I would look into it otherwise I have learnt how to ignore you.
Don�t forget answers to the question.

Of course Vic has brain and that is the reason he has decided to ignore you.