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Female front line troops
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In this day of equalities, how is it that the female of the species is not called upon to fight along side the male of the species, are the lives of males of less value?
We see female fire-fighters, female police officers, and women are now allowed aboard warships.
In the constant quest for equality we see Girls allowed into the Boy Scouts, Female Boxers etc, etc.
Yet when it comes to front line troops, there is a stunning silence from the feminist lobby.
We see female fire-fighters, female police officers, and women are now allowed aboard warships.
In the constant quest for equality we see Girls allowed into the Boy Scouts, Female Boxers etc, etc.
Yet when it comes to front line troops, there is a stunning silence from the feminist lobby.
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Personally, i've never believe women should serve as 'frontline fighting troops'.
The Israeli armed forces found that if a female was wounded, males would generally stop to help[ them, regardless of the situation, therebye putting other lives at risk.
In general though, a mans upper body strength is geater than the females, which means that she can't carry as much, or if need be, a wounded comrade for very long.
The Israeli armed forces found that if a female was wounded, males would generally stop to help[ them, regardless of the situation, therebye putting other lives at risk.
In general though, a mans upper body strength is geater than the females, which means that she can't carry as much, or if need be, a wounded comrade for very long.
http://www2.canada.com/topics/news/story.html? id=1493019
2 female canadians .
1 a trooper 1 a captain.
2 female canadians .
1 a trooper 1 a captain.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/f irst-female-soldier-killed-in-afghanistan-8499 95.html
First british female soldier killed.
First british female soldier killed.
As a female I believe that we should have the same opportunities as men. But I am also a realist.
Men are, by nature, are more aggressive than women - although there are many scary women these days. Men are much stronger than women.
If women were on the front line then men, being men, would be distracted by any attractive female in his vicinity.
I would think that the Air Force and Navy would be more suitable jobs for us weakling. There are actually so many jobs that women can do and do well - but the true feminists will want more.
Men are, by nature, are more aggressive than women - although there are many scary women these days. Men are much stronger than women.
If women were on the front line then men, being men, would be distracted by any attractive female in his vicinity.
I would think that the Air Force and Navy would be more suitable jobs for us weakling. There are actually so many jobs that women can do and do well - but the true feminists will want more.
AOG
You'll be glad to hear that banning women from frontline action is a breach of European Law, and the Government is currently reviewing its position.
Before this current push in Afghanistan, there wasn't really a front-line in the two wars, and Women has been killed in the theatre of war.
Corporal Sarah Bryant
Private Eleanor Dlugosz
2nd Lieutenant Joanna Yorke Dyer, 24, from the Staff Sergeant Sharron Elliott
Flight Lieutenant Sarah-Jayne Mulvihill
Lance Corporal Sarah Holmes
Staff Sergeant Denise Rose
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics /article6355445.ece
You'll be glad to hear that banning women from frontline action is a breach of European Law, and the Government is currently reviewing its position.
Before this current push in Afghanistan, there wasn't really a front-line in the two wars, and Women has been killed in the theatre of war.
Corporal Sarah Bryant
Private Eleanor Dlugosz
2nd Lieutenant Joanna Yorke Dyer, 24, from the Staff Sergeant Sharron Elliott
Flight Lieutenant Sarah-Jayne Mulvihill
Lance Corporal Sarah Holmes
Staff Sergeant Denise Rose
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics /article6355445.ece
Thank you for that link Gromit, I did not realise that so many had been killed, and one even committed suicide.
A spokesman for the MoD said yesterday: �Servicewomen are currently excluded from roles where there is a requirement to deliberately close with and kill the enemy face to face.�
I wonder why? Is it any easier for a man to kill face to face than a female?
the average burden carried by a male soldier is more than 100lb.
I have never understood why the present day soldier needs to carry such a burden?
They also believe that the injuring or capture of a female soldier by the enemy might be too distressing for male comrades.
They have to come to terms with it when it happens to one of their own.
Which brings me back to the original argument:
Is a females life held more precious than a males?
A spokesman for the MoD said yesterday: �Servicewomen are currently excluded from roles where there is a requirement to deliberately close with and kill the enemy face to face.�
I wonder why? Is it any easier for a man to kill face to face than a female?
the average burden carried by a male soldier is more than 100lb.
I have never understood why the present day soldier needs to carry such a burden?
They also believe that the injuring or capture of a female soldier by the enemy might be too distressing for male comrades.
They have to come to terms with it when it happens to one of their own.
Which brings me back to the original argument:
Is a females life held more precious than a males?
A group of surrounded and about to be captured Taleban had to be released.
About 6 of them ran into a building.........on being ordered to leave the building with their hands up, about 10 emerged all wearing burkhas.
As there was NO female coalition soldier available to determine and there was no time to find such a soldier, they had to be released.
About 6 of them ran into a building.........on being ordered to leave the building with their hands up, about 10 emerged all wearing burkhas.
As there was NO female coalition soldier available to determine and there was no time to find such a soldier, they had to be released.
U.S. Marines trapped Taliban fighters in a residential compound and persuaded the insurgents to allow women and children to leave. The troops then moved in - only to discover that the militants had slipped out, dressed in burqas, the loose enveloping robes some Muslim women wear.
Sounds like a scene from Carry On... Up the Khyber
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Sounds like a scene from Carry On... Up the Khyber
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During my 15 years' Army service (not a million years ago! I only left in the 80s), female soldiers were not even entrusted with a rifle, let alone expected to be frontline cannon fodder.
It's only since the feminist / PC / equality pressure groups have got involved that successive Governments have caved in and grudgingly allowed women to, ostensibly, to be "equal" to their male counterparts.
They've even done away with the good old WRAC(Womens' Royal Army Corps), and have incorporated women into arms of service previously and exclusively male only.
But I believe that political correctness cannot justify the fact that women are patently unsuited to the rigours of frontline soldiering. It's just a physical and genetic fact.
I mean: how many men can have babies? Think about it.
It's only since the feminist / PC / equality pressure groups have got involved that successive Governments have caved in and grudgingly allowed women to, ostensibly, to be "equal" to their male counterparts.
They've even done away with the good old WRAC(Womens' Royal Army Corps), and have incorporated women into arms of service previously and exclusively male only.
But I believe that political correctness cannot justify the fact that women are patently unsuited to the rigours of frontline soldiering. It's just a physical and genetic fact.
I mean: how many men can have babies? Think about it.
I believe that a unit of women led by women could be equally as effective as a unit of men, in certain frontline situations.
Introducing a woman/women into a unit would unbalance that unit; but for the reasons as stated by Lonnie, not Wolf63.
I speak as a woman whose son currently serves, and whose partner is ex-Army.
Introducing a woman/women into a unit would unbalance that unit; but for the reasons as stated by Lonnie, not Wolf63.
I speak as a woman whose son currently serves, and whose partner is ex-Army.
Surely, the whole point of the feminist movement was to give women (and men) a choice. With equal education and contraception freely available, a woman could choose whether to have children or not, whether to marry, train as firefighters, whatever. If women want to serve, I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of the MoD to ask them in what capacity they feel their strenghths lie
The United States, Canada, Holland, Norway and Israel all have female frontline troops. Presumably they have been assessed and trained and only given approval if they are physically able to do the job.
I suspect the reluctance of the British to use them is more to do with outdated thinking and our preoccupation with traditions rather than any physical impediment.
I suspect the reluctance of the British to use them is more to do with outdated thinking and our preoccupation with traditions rather than any physical impediment.
