Revenge.

[DKnewsES]

The baby P case three have now been officially named. Is it right to put their safety and possibly lives at risk?

[daffy654]

Their names/identities have been known for a long time.Why would they be any more at risk now that it is official?

[Everhelpful]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jno]

I don't see why they shouldn't be given false identities; everyone on AB has one. In fact, I think they could be given jobs in the AB organisation, possibly in accounts, as a public service.

[funnygirl]

I am fed up with these murderers getting new identities with our money.
Where is the punishment and shame for these brutal thugs??!!

[DKnewsES]

Not sure if they'd be safe at AB, jno. A lot of nutters trawl this section.

[jno]

true, but they'd blend right in in Chatterbank.

[barney15c]

There is a story in one of the london free papers about a 10000 pound contract being put on one of the to men involved to blind him while in prison. So you can imagine the anger directed against these vile individuals will mean they wont be safe either in prison or if they give them new identities. I think its safe to say they will be hunted for pretty much all of their natural life. Oh and the final cost of bringing them all to justice could run to �6m let alone the cost of keeping them in jail plus what it costs to give them new identities. If i think there was a case for bringing back the death penalty was needed, look no further.

[barney15c]

...forgot to add. All 6 Harringey council social worker plus the head who's name escapes me are all suing for compensation. it gets better doesnt it! Criminal justice...nore like justice for the criminal!

[rov1200]

Makes you think our social services are not interfering enough. In other spheres we are told government departments are too interfering especially if they want to store our DNA even though this would catch more criminals. We had better decide what we want?.

[mountainboo]

What is the world coming to. Now that they have released the identities of these monsters, they are going to change their identities to stop any vigilante attacks, which will cost us even more money. Any human rights they had should have been taken from them, the first moment that poor child was abused. There is no justice!

In some states of the U.S I believe there is still the death penalty. In extreme cases such as this, I think it should apply here. They should have been put on death row. But their sentence should be a long one, so that day and night, their thoughts would be dominated by their impending execution!

[sp1814]

Just stop for a minute and think this through.

When these three are released from jail, do you really think it would be a good idea if their names and whereabouts were made public???

Say if that were to happen and a bunch of vigilantes were to hunt them down and exact 'street justice', do you think that thevpolice would simply turn a blind eye?

No... the perpetrators would be caught and convicted and a brand mew family would spend one Sunday a month visiting Dad in jail.

It's difficult to be dispassionate when you read of a case like this, but we HAVE to, otherwise we descend into anarchy.

[albaqwerty]

I heard on the news that they are appealing their sentences. it doesn't happen often that a jail term is increased because the original sentence was lenient but in this case I can only hope it is increased substantially.
Common sense, justice and law are 3 words that don't seem to count for much in this country anymore.

[abbie1977]

If this stupid country would sort out its sentencing....i.e life meaning life and bring back the death penelty for scum like this, then they wouldnt need new identities, they would be rotting in jail and freeing them would never even be considered. He raped a 2 yeard old girl to add to this FFS and all he gets is 12 years???? I would get longer in jail for stealing something. Its ridiculous.

[marval]

Is it right to put their lives at safety and risk? Well after what they did to baby P, it is a risk they must take. Sorry, if you dish out such cruelty, you cannot expect people to like you. I have no sympathy for them, would I kill them? no, they are not worth going to jail for.

[john1066]

Lets hope the warders turn a blind eye...

[andy-hughes]

As always, everyone gets seriously heated about this issue, and mutters about 'death is too good for them, I'd pull the lever ...' and similar.

As I mentioned on another thread, emotion and the law do not go together, because that way is anarchy and vigilante hell.

An appropriate sentence should be issued and served, and if at the end of that, these people need protection by false identities, it should be offered - regardless of some eight-figure cost dreamed up by the media who fan the flames of everyone's righteous anger.

Revenge is not a legal process, it's the 'strongest' meting out their own 'justice' and it simply has no place in a civilsed society.

[jake-the-peg]

I think the question really is if they will need false identities what earthly point is served by naming them in the first place!

[DEN53]

Talk about giving them new identities when they are released - THEY HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN SENTENCED YET!!!!!!

I hope to god all three of them are NEVER NEVER NEVER released.......................but you will always get the do gooders who will say 'there there never mind, you had a bad upbringing blah blah blah' - I am sorry but what they did to that poor baby is unforgiveable not to mention what the boyfriend and his brother did to their poor gran.

Three Shi$ Bags should be flushed away - FOR GOOD...

[LazyGun]

Err Den, I thought they had been sentenced ? This is what I understood was the sentences they had received - have I got this wrong?

The mother - 5 years minimum tariff on an indefinite sentence - means she can apply for release, but I doubt the parole board will grant it. I dont think she will be getting out early at all

The boyfriend - 10 year minimum tariff on an indeterminate sentence for the death of baby peter, but he also has a life sentence for the rape of a 2 year old. I really dont think this guy is ever getting out.

The brother of the boyfriend - 3 year mimum tariff on an indeterminate sentence - so again, will only be allowed out if he convinces the parole board that he should be.