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an advantage of staying in the EU?
bbc2 'gypsy child thieves'
watch it on iplayer if you missed it and want to feel depressed
at least there is no worse country due to enter the EU (until it expands into africa) than romania
these hideous people with a congenital lack of morality who believe thieving to be perfectly acceptable are....what do you think?
1. a positive benefit to the european community
2. a positive drain on the european community
still dont despair...we will have turkey in our club soon
watch it on iplayer if you missed it and want to feel depressed
at least there is no worse country due to enter the EU (until it expands into africa) than romania
these hideous people with a congenital lack of morality who believe thieving to be perfectly acceptable are....what do you think?
1. a positive benefit to the european community
2. a positive drain on the european community
still dont despair...we will have turkey in our club soon
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Romanians and Bulgarians do not have the normal EU rights to come to this country. They are currently special cases
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/eea/bulgariaromania/
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/eea/bulgariaromania/
Yes, well other communities and people have their criminal specialists who travel to practise their 'profession'. Every year, without fail, we get teams of Colombian pickpockets in London and have done for decades. Thirty years ago it seemed that every crossfire cheque fraud here was perpetrated by Nigerians. Times have changed for that because technology has changed. The 419 fraudsters, based in Nigeria, must be their children!
Go on any housing estate and you'll find the indigenous equivalent equivalent here.
I watched this show too, but to my mind I thought the only real solution lay in educating and engaging with them.
The Roma have suffered terrible discrimination over the years, the NAZIs put them into concentration camps, the Communists forced them into settled slums and the people never accepted them. In Romania you can kill a gypsy and serve 4 weeks, I think it's the girls who suffer most within the confines of this environment.
They are human beings who've suffered over the years it will take time to change the attitudes of all groups.
I watched this show too, but to my mind I thought the only real solution lay in educating and engaging with them.
The Roma have suffered terrible discrimination over the years, the NAZIs put them into concentration camps, the Communists forced them into settled slums and the people never accepted them. In Romania you can kill a gypsy and serve 4 weeks, I think it's the girls who suffer most within the confines of this environment.
They are human beings who've suffered over the years it will take time to change the attitudes of all groups.
And in the meantime their recently gained membership of the EU makes it easy for them to roam all over Europe practicing the more unsavoury aspects of their "culture".
As has been pointed out by fredpuli, we already have out home grown population and people from other countries already at it. There is no need to allow more to come here. There is no advantage to the UK whatsoever, either in the short or long term, in Romania's membership of the EU.
As has been pointed out by fredpuli, we already have out home grown population and people from other countries already at it. There is no need to allow more to come here. There is no advantage to the UK whatsoever, either in the short or long term, in Romania's membership of the EU.
Yes NewJudge, I've just remembered another group of specialists. All the 'three card trick' merchants who practised in London came from one part of one estate in Camberwell, all came from two or three families and had passed the skill down from generation to generation for ,well, generations. All were done for illegal gaming because what they did wasn't fraud, contrary to popular belief.
I'd never condemn a whole community simply because some members are criminals in one area of crime, or any. Not every Maltese in the 60s was a pimp in Soho. Not every Nigerian is or was in cheque fraud. Not every Colombian is a pickpocket. Not every Albanian woman is a professional beggar. Not every inhabitant of Camberwell is doing 'find the lady'. Not every Roma or every Romanian (there is a difference) is putting kids on the streets to beg or steal. They do turn up everywhere as it is. Last I encountered personally was in Avignon, years ago, a girl of about 9 selling flowers, at near midnight, with her 'minder' in a van in a nearby street.In the South of France, where I also live, the police say the street prostitutes are mainly from the old communist bloc countries ( the top class girls are often foreign, but from Britain, Germany, Sweden and other rich countries).In all cases these are 'professionals' who travel anywhere where there's money to be made from their specilalty.None of them seem fussed about where in the world they work.
I'd never condemn a whole community simply because some members are criminals in one area of crime, or any. Not every Maltese in the 60s was a pimp in Soho. Not every Nigerian is or was in cheque fraud. Not every Colombian is a pickpocket. Not every Albanian woman is a professional beggar. Not every inhabitant of Camberwell is doing 'find the lady'. Not every Roma or every Romanian (there is a difference) is putting kids on the streets to beg or steal. They do turn up everywhere as it is. Last I encountered personally was in Avignon, years ago, a girl of about 9 selling flowers, at near midnight, with her 'minder' in a van in a nearby street.In the South of France, where I also live, the police say the street prostitutes are mainly from the old communist bloc countries ( the top class girls are often foreign, but from Britain, Germany, Sweden and other rich countries).In all cases these are 'professionals' who travel anywhere where there's money to be made from their specilalty.None of them seem fussed about where in the world they work.
No they don't seem fussed fred.
But there is no reason on earth why we should accommodate them here. We do not need vast numbers of foreigners coming to the UK. The notion that we must have them to sustain the economy (aging population, etc.) is fallacious and unsustainable (they too will age, and so we need more incomers to cater for them in their old age, and so on).
The fact that only some incomers are criminals is not sufficient reason to allow all of them in. They are not needed. They are not wanted. We have enough people here as it is. We just need to get some of them off their backsides to do some work.
But there is no reason on earth why we should accommodate them here. We do not need vast numbers of foreigners coming to the UK. The notion that we must have them to sustain the economy (aging population, etc.) is fallacious and unsustainable (they too will age, and so we need more incomers to cater for them in their old age, and so on).
The fact that only some incomers are criminals is not sufficient reason to allow all of them in. They are not needed. They are not wanted. We have enough people here as it is. We just need to get some of them off their backsides to do some work.
There's the problem, NJ. Up here in Cambridgeshire, the workers in the fields and in packing plants, right up to fork-lift truck drivers, all come from other EU countries. When local TV asked unemployed local young men, all fit, whether they'd like jobs at well above the minmum wage (these workers were on such rates) , they all said 'yes' until they found out what the jobs were.One of them, crushingly and without a trace of irony,, said it would mean working with foreigners.
I suppose you have an answer, do you, as to who is paying for these British men, and their unemployed partners and their children, and will in future, come to that? Seems to me that the foreigners are, as are the rest of us.
I suppose you have an answer, do you, as to who is paying for these British men, and their unemployed partners and their children, and will in future, come to that? Seems to me that the foreigners are, as are the rest of us.
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