Why can't we have a National Party?

[anotheoldgit]

Seeing that nobody took up the offer to answer this in a previous post, I thought I might enter it as a question in it's own right.

How is it that the Scottish can have a Scottish Nationalist Party, yet we are accused of belonging to the far right if we want a Nationalist Party?

Ideally an English Nationalist Party (open to all Englishmen & women whatever their colour) that sounds good, but eh! the existing English Democratic Party are also labelled the far right.

[VHG]

Policital parties are mostly started by "ordinairy" people (Labour certainly were) so there is nothing stopping you (or anyone else) starting any sort of political party.

The problem we always have in this country is that people moan about MPs and political parties as though they are some sort of "breed apart" or special people. They are not, they are mostly ordinairy people who happen to get elected.

MPs and political parties get away with as much as we allow them to get away with.

So instead of just posting headlines from the Dail Mail day after day why dont you form a political party and see how many people join you.

[Gromit]

There isn't a demand for it.

The Welsh, Northern Irish and Scots peoples all had a genuine grievance about their countries being run from London so a Nationalist mood led to partys being formed and the people getting behind them and voting for them.

There is no such grievance in England. A party to keep out Johnny Foreigner is a completely different proposition. It is based more on xenophobia than a desire for self determination.

[anotheoldgit]

VHG

You have not posted anything we don't already know.

The question was why can't we have a National Party without being labelled "far right"? Or is the question too hard for you to answer?

It is obvious that all parties where started by ordinary people, unless of course you belong to those weirdoes that believe we are ruled by Lizard people.

I would also like to correct you regarding your incorrect statement:

//"So instead of just posting headlines from the Dail Mail day after day"//

Just check my last 7 postings:
Guardian
Dailymail
Sun
Telegraph
Daily Mail
Daily Mail
Independant

So please make sure of your facts before you do any further "AOG, Daily Mail Bashing".

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Your whole answer is a contradictory of terms.

//"There isn't a demand for it."// (Oh yes there is, the only trouble is that they get shouted down as I have already described) Just as they is for an English only parliament.

//"The Welsh, Northern Irish and Scots peoples all had a genuine grievance about their countries being run from London"// = keep out Johnny Foreigner!!!!!!!

[anotheoldgit]

Zeuhl

So unlike Scotland, Wales and Ireland or any other country on Earth for that matter, where they are proud to be nationalistic for their countries, why is it deemed to be suspect and Far Right to be a patriotic Englishman?

[jno]

you can have an English Nationalist Party if you want (though it should no more be restricted to English people than the SNP is restricted to Scots). Go ahead and start it, as VHG suggests. And if your manifesto is far-right then it will be labelled far-right.

What is the manifesto, by the way?

[sp1814]

Specifically what would the English National Party stand for?

I'm not necessarily against the idea of the ENP, but you have to have a political ideology at the birth of a new party...also, why would the party necessarily have a right wing stance? The Welsh and Scottish national parties are in no way right wing.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

So what is the manifesto of the SNP then?

We already have the English Democratic Party, and The English Defence League, although both deny they are a racist party, they are labelled as always racist, Nazis and Far Right Wing.

Who sits in judgement to stifle free speech and label a party Far Right Wing etc, could it be the Far Left Wing?

[sp1814]

Hang on...hang on - are the English Democratic Party, and The English Defence League left wing, centralist or right wing parties?

Spanning the political rainbow, are they communist, socialist, social democratic, conservative, or right wing?

I really don't know the answer because I don't know anything about these parties...but we're not talking about the existing parties - the question is about a proposed ENP.

I've been trying to think, and can't work out what they would be for!

[anotheoldgit]

ahmskunnirt

//" I don't hear any Premiership football fans clamouring to get rid of their star players, 90% of whom are non English."//

No but they would have plenty to say if some clubs where not allowed to play another club because some of the players disagreed with another's politics.

[anotheoldgit]

Zeuhl

I think many?????? British?????? people observe French, American, Scots (etc etc) patriotism and smile, confident in their own value as individuals, partly derived from being brought up in this country but not dependent on it.

I think your answer only goes to increase my concerns, and that is the fact that not once did you say English.

[sp1814]

AOG

What would be the point of this new party???

Seriously...what would they stand for?

At the moment, you sound like someone who wants a guitar because two of your mates have guitars, but you cannot play and you have no intention of ever learning (so why want a guitar in the first place?)

[sp1814]

"Who sits in judgement to stifle free speech and label a party Far Right Wing etc, could it be the Far Left Wing?"

Nope...it's practically everyone. I mean, even the leader of the Conservative Party has no problem with labelling the BNP "right wiong loonies". It's a fallacy to believe it's only 'the far left' who consider the BNP et al 'extreme rigth wing'.

I would only call certain members of the BNP Nazi sympathizers and that's only because they've expressed, errm...sympathy with Nazis.

[sherminator]

...I think AOG prefers the violin...

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