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I went to church yesterday.
I don't believe in god, but I do find it fascinating how people who appear to be normal intelligent people can believe in something as absurd as a greater being.
I went to church because we have had to start playing the game of pretending we are good church-going people to ensure our kids get into a decent school.
In my town, there is just one school that is not linked to a church and this is miles away, and as a firm believer that children should walk to school, this school is out of the question.
The nearest school, a 5 minute walk away, gives preference to church goers first, which must be supported by a letter from the vicar.
This is an absurd situation, isn't it?
Is discrimination on religious grounds illegal?
I don't believe in god, but I do find it fascinating how people who appear to be normal intelligent people can believe in something as absurd as a greater being.
I went to church because we have had to start playing the game of pretending we are good church-going people to ensure our kids get into a decent school.
In my town, there is just one school that is not linked to a church and this is miles away, and as a firm believer that children should walk to school, this school is out of the question.
The nearest school, a 5 minute walk away, gives preference to church goers first, which must be supported by a letter from the vicar.
This is an absurd situation, isn't it?
Is discrimination on religious grounds illegal?
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Why have a load of answers been removed?
I haven't asked for any to be removed.
No TCL you are wrong - playing the system in going to church is as a result of wanting to go to the nearest walkable school. This is the theme throughout my answers and in my original question. You are seeing something in my answers that isn't there just to support your argument.
I repeat - I am playing the system to my advantage: it is neither illegal or against the rules and therefore by definition is not wrong.
Put it this way - if you could legitimately play the tax system whereby you had the choice of paying £50 or £100, I suspect everybody, if they were honest with themselves, would pay £50.
Playing the system to one's advantage is perfectly acceptable if it doesn't contravene any laws or rules.
I am a hypocrite - granted, and already admitted, so you are bit late there Mr Veritas, but it doesn't teach my children anything because they won't know.
I haven't asked for any to be removed.
No TCL you are wrong - playing the system in going to church is as a result of wanting to go to the nearest walkable school. This is the theme throughout my answers and in my original question. You are seeing something in my answers that isn't there just to support your argument.
I repeat - I am playing the system to my advantage: it is neither illegal or against the rules and therefore by definition is not wrong.
Put it this way - if you could legitimately play the tax system whereby you had the choice of paying £50 or £100, I suspect everybody, if they were honest with themselves, would pay £50.
Playing the system to one's advantage is perfectly acceptable if it doesn't contravene any laws or rules.
I am a hypocrite - granted, and already admitted, so you are bit late there Mr Veritas, but it doesn't teach my children anything because they won't know.
Think yourself lucky you only have to attend church flip_flop, my local faith school not only requires regular attendance at church (the church even gives out "vouchers" of which you need to accumulate a certain amount to apply for the school. Not every week either, some weeks they sneakily give out five or six and then none for a couple of months, all to make sure you attend every week without fail in case you miss out on some vouchers!) You also get extra points for helping out at the church, there are mothers falling over themselves to go in and clean the church, do the flowers, help with readings etc. I couldn't get my son into the school because I didn't accrue enough points despite the fact that we live literally two minutes walk from the school so I now have to get two separate buses every morning to another school which is a pain in the arris to be honest with you. Good luck to you flip_flop I say. hope you get your little 'un in the school you want
Thanks Mrs Bobbins.
It is a truly absurd situation.
I wouldn't mind if the schools were funded by the church, but they are not - they are state run schools and therefore it is our taxes that pay for them.
The bloody vicar shouldn't have any say in the matter at all.
Still, expect to get derided by the morally pure on this thread.
It is a truly absurd situation.
I wouldn't mind if the schools were funded by the church, but they are not - they are state run schools and therefore it is our taxes that pay for them.
The bloody vicar shouldn't have any say in the matter at all.
Still, expect to get derided by the morally pure on this thread.
flip-flop, you said, "No TCL you are wrong - playing the system in going to church is as a result of wanting to go to the nearest walkable school. This is the theme throughout my answers and in my original question”
The question is headed "Church and Schools"
"I went to church...to ensure our kids get into a decent school.”
“There's nothing wrong with the non-affiliated school. “
“The main thrust of my point is how, in a largely secular society, can the church wield such power.”
“But it is a sorry state of affairs that you stand much less of a chance of getting in to your local school if you aren't a church goer.”
“You are seeing something in my answers that isn't there just to support your argument"
Would you like to re-consider that final statement?
The question is headed "Church and Schools"
"I went to church...to ensure our kids get into a decent school.”
“There's nothing wrong with the non-affiliated school. “
“The main thrust of my point is how, in a largely secular society, can the church wield such power.”
“But it is a sorry state of affairs that you stand much less of a chance of getting in to your local school if you aren't a church goer.”
“You are seeing something in my answers that isn't there just to support your argument"
Would you like to re-consider that final statement?
No, I wouldn't.
Going to church is wholly a by-product of wanting to go to the local school.
Were it not for the farcical situation that you must attend church to get into the local school, we wouldn't be attending.
There is nothing wrong with the non-affiliated school, but it is up to an hours round trip a day. Whereas from my front window I can see our local school. It really is a no-brainer.
So my statement stands.
Give it up mate - you will never agree with me on this subject and vice versa. It is becoming repititious and boring.
Going to church is wholly a by-product of wanting to go to the local school.
Were it not for the farcical situation that you must attend church to get into the local school, we wouldn't be attending.
There is nothing wrong with the non-affiliated school, but it is up to an hours round trip a day. Whereas from my front window I can see our local school. It really is a no-brainer.
So my statement stands.
Give it up mate - you will never agree with me on this subject and vice versa. It is becoming repititious and boring.
The best sermon is a good example, you set the standard, lying is ok when it's beneficial to you, you can justify as much as you like, it's still lying, if you're strongly against an ethos if you wish for your children to be removed from the influence of that ethos then you'd choose a different school and then campaign to change the admissions criteria.
I would say that you should teach your children to have the courage of their convictions, but you can't, because you don't have the courage of your convictions.
I would say that you should teach your children to have the courage of their convictions, but you can't, because you don't have the courage of your convictions.
"The main thrust of my point is how, in a largely secular society, can the church wield such power." not it is healthier for a child to walk to school, not that it is beneficial to the environment by reducing the number of cars on the road, not because it saves us time in the morning, it's the power of the church that is the problem as far as you are concerned.
Imagine this scenario, you hold a firm belief in something (whatever it is) and it's something that many others do lawfully. You forbid yir children from doing it and they say yup dad, we don't do that and never will, honest. You then find out that they have been doing it for ages and have been lying to you all the time. What would you do?
Imagine this scenario, you hold a firm belief in something (whatever it is) and it's something that many others do lawfully. You forbid yir children from doing it and they say yup dad, we don't do that and never will, honest. You then find out that they have been doing it for ages and have been lying to you all the time. What would you do?
I went to church again yesterday - and even spoke to the vicar.
I was left with a warm feeling that I am doing what is right for my children - not what the morally pure on this thread think I should be doing.
I had no idea there were so mainly saintly people on this site.
I will be going to church next Sunday as well, and the Sunday after that and so on......
I was left with a warm feeling that I am doing what is right for my children - not what the morally pure on this thread think I should be doing.
I had no idea there were so mainly saintly people on this site.
I will be going to church next Sunday as well, and the Sunday after that and so on......
Wrong - its an "if pots and pans" question.
If I mislead the church, which in turn results in my kids getting into the nearest school, which in turn means they can walk to school, and as it so close as they get a bit older they'll be able to walk themselves to and from school, and if when they are a bit older when walking to or from school they are a bit late, and as a result of them being a bit late they aren't accepted into astronaut training school, and becuase they can't undertake their astronaut training they fail to go on a mission to Mars and because they fail to go on a mission to Mars they get very depressed and because they are very depressed they lay in bed all day, and because they lay in bed all day they get bed sores, which are really really very sore - how will I feel then because I've mislead the church?
I'll tell you what - i'll answer your question if you answer my question;
If you could legitimately play the tax system whereby you had the choice of paying £50 or £100 - no rule or law breaking - what would you do?
Incidentally, I haven't lied to anybody.
I am using the church to my advantage.
If I mislead the church, which in turn results in my kids getting into the nearest school, which in turn means they can walk to school, and as it so close as they get a bit older they'll be able to walk themselves to and from school, and if when they are a bit older when walking to or from school they are a bit late, and as a result of them being a bit late they aren't accepted into astronaut training school, and becuase they can't undertake their astronaut training they fail to go on a mission to Mars and because they fail to go on a mission to Mars they get very depressed and because they are very depressed they lay in bed all day, and because they lay in bed all day they get bed sores, which are really really very sore - how will I feel then because I've mislead the church?
I'll tell you what - i'll answer your question if you answer my question;
If you could legitimately play the tax system whereby you had the choice of paying £50 or £100 - no rule or law breaking - what would you do?
Incidentally, I haven't lied to anybody.
I am using the church to my advantage.
In the scenario you posed, I am not asked to make a misleading statement. If I expected a child of mines to be honest, what example am I setting by lying?
As for the statement, "Incidentally, I haven't lied to anybody" this is Chambers Dictionary definition of the word "lie"-.noun 1 a false statement made with the intention of deceiving. 2 anything misleading; a fraud • live a lie. verb (lied, lying) intrans 1 to say things that are not true with the intention of deceiving. 2 to give a wrong or false impression
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As for the statement, "Incidentally, I haven't lied to anybody" this is Chambers Dictionary definition of the word "lie"-.noun 1 a false statement made with the intention of deceiving. 2 anything misleading; a fraud • live a lie. verb (lied, lying) intrans 1 to say things that are not true with the intention of deceiving. 2 to give a wrong or false impression
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hmmm - posting a dictionary definition to prove a point? Really?
99.9% of people use the word 'lie' in its everyday commonly understood context, e.g, an untrue statement said to somebody else.
In the common usage of the word lie, I haven't lied.
"In the scenario you posed, I am not asked to make a misleading statement. If I expected a child of mines to be honest, what example am I setting by lying?"
Not one lie has passed my lips.
99.9% of people use the word 'lie' in its everyday commonly understood context, e.g, an untrue statement said to somebody else.
In the common usage of the word lie, I haven't lied.
"In the scenario you posed, I am not asked to make a misleading statement. If I expected a child of mines to be honest, what example am I setting by lying?"
Not one lie has passed my lips.
pretend verb (pretended, pretending) 1 tr & intr to make believe; to act as if, or give the impression that, something is the case when it is not • Let's pretend we're dinosaurs • pretend to be asleep. 2 tr & intr to imply or claim falsely • pretended not to know. 3 to claim to feel something; to profess something falsely
hoodwink verb (often hoodwink someone into something) to trick or deceive them into doing it.
hypocrisy noun (hypocrisies) 1 the act of pretending to have feelings, beliefs or principles which one does not actually have. 2 the act of concealing one's true character
As you are aware, a lie does not have to be spoken and it seems the Church is used to folk lying since it does not trust the word of applicants without a minister's letter of confirmation.
hoodwink verb (often hoodwink someone into something) to trick or deceive them into doing it.
hypocrisy noun (hypocrisies) 1 the act of pretending to have feelings, beliefs or principles which one does not actually have. 2 the act of concealing one's true character
As you are aware, a lie does not have to be spoken and it seems the Church is used to folk lying since it does not trust the word of applicants without a minister's letter of confirmation.
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