English Patriots

modeller | 18:07 Thu 11th Mar 2010 | News

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If you deplore the way we English are treated by our government in our own country.
If you are English look at this poem from the Queens Royal Lancers it says it all.
If it doesn't come up try Google with the words Queens Royal Lancers England poem it comes up on several sites.

http://www.salfordonl...via_david_walker.html

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rojash

Seems kind of silly to me - I've never heard of English people being forbidden from calling themselves English. Perhaps you could cite some examples of where/when this has occurred?

onlineoap

Very silly indeed. My great grandaughter is covering Shakespear at school right now.

modeller

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No I don't want an arguement rojash I just thought the general sentiment rang a bell.
If you think otherwise, great ! That's one freedom we still have for now , but I should point out I had this poem sent to me from a number of sources and it's appearing on quite a number of sites and facebook . So unlike you many people value their English heritage.

rojash

It's not really a question of thinking otherwise, it's a question of facts. The poem starts from the premise that English people are not allowed to call themselves English. Either this is patently untrue, or its defenders should be able to cite examples of where and when it occurred. If it's untrue, then the whole thing is pointless and irrelevant - you might as well write a poem bemoaning the fact that the sun never rises.

modeller

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I think you have missed the sentiment in the poem and taken it too literary . Maybe its a generation thing . Maybe it's the older generation who feel that English culture is being undermined.
I have seen my town change from a typical English town into a largely Asian one. I'm not saying that in a critical manner but as a matter of fact. If my local shops were not run by Asians we would not have any, but that does show that England now is not the England of say 30 years ago and many people feel the lose.
I was asked recently in a council office what my nationality was and when I said English, I was told I couldn't say that . The correct term was British English. I don't know if you heard the interview with a BBC producer who said half the programmes which were made years ago could not be made now as they were not politically correct. I'm not criticing my non-English friends but rojash surely you must accept England is not the England that it was.

modeller

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Let me give a simple example of how the English are being undermined. When our Olympic team returned from Peking they were rightly praised for their achievements. The Scots were lauded in Edinburgh. The Welsh in Cardif. The English not at all but The Brits were lauded in London.

rojash

Modeller:
"Maybe it's the older generation who feel that English culture is being undermined."
I'm 58 - it's a long time since anyone accused me of being a member of the younger generation :-)

"I was asked recently in a council office what my nationality was and when I said English, I was told I couldn't say that . The correct term was British English."
Well, if someone said that to me, I'd tell them to stop being an idiot. But I don't think that's policy thing - just, as I said, an example of individual stupidity.

I understand your points about the changes in England. I just can't see that the poem has any connection to them.

modeller

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onlinesoap I don't think it is particularly relevant to to the sentiment of the poem but being as you raised the matter. Shakespeare has been dropped as a compulsorily Sat subject and hundreds of schools have dropped the formal study of the subject. I'm not arguing for or against, just quoting facts which you can verify on Google.

modeller

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onlinesoap I should have mentioned, nowadays what passes for Shakespeare is the historical study of the man not necessarily any of his works , the latter of course requires a far greater depth of study.

jno

"At Broadcasting House the word is taboo"

The BBC bans mention of England? So how do you explain this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/default.stm

modeller

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jno I've looked at the site and I can't find what you are referring to neither can I find the word 'taboo' anywhere.

jno

modeller, the line I quoted is in the 'poem' you linked to, yes?

As for my own link, it was to a whole page full of English news on the BBC website, which seems to disprove the entirely imaginary notion that there's any BBC taboo on the word 'England'. The 'poet' has just made it up to try to justify his paranoid rant.

Bobbisox

I've seen this poem many times modeller, rojosh you are required to put British on legal documents not English if you look at the choices..

Mr Veritas

I think it's a poem that the BNP would be proud of.
As fro the older generation not liking change.
I am 87,and fought through WW2.
I realise that change is necessary for a country to survive,and just hope tha this change can be brought about peacefully and with an concensus.
Just go to rural France,Spain and Italy,ans see how no change has occurred,and you will see a countryside as a living fossil peasant economy.
It is precisely all these immigrants over a thousand or more years that has made the UK(and England) such a diverse and amazing country.We may be getting more immigrants now (from the EU) but that doesn.t mean that given time they will not be absorbed into our culture.
This "Little England" attitude does no good,nor does it respect myself and my forces colleagues who fought and died to keep England(and the UK) the free,tolerant and diverse nation that it is.
When someone can give me a complete and sconcrete definition of England/Englishness then I may reconsider my argument.
Alec.

Bobbisox

truly there is none of us pure English anyway, I was probably descended from a Viking pillager and rapist...lol when the came into Northumberland so I could be part hurdy-gurdy..lol