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If someone referred to you as racist - what's the best response?
UKIP prospective MP for Ilford, Paul Wiffen has come up with a corker:
http://news.bbc.co.uk...0/england/8609891.stm
David Cameron referred to UKIP as "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists mostly".
Was he onto something???
http://news.bbc.co.uk...0/england/8609891.stm
David Cameron referred to UKIP as "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists mostly".
Was he onto something???
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Haggisdj
Do you think that the views expressed by Mr wiffen could be construed as racist?
VHG - very interesting point. Never really thought of it the way you put it. Here's a thought - if the number of immigrants to the UK over the past (say) 40 years was unchanged, but the incoming people dispersed all over the country, so there wasn't high numbers in one area and zero elsewhere - would that be a preferable situation?
Do you think that the views expressed by Mr wiffen could be construed as racist?
VHG - very interesting point. Never really thought of it the way you put it. Here's a thought - if the number of immigrants to the UK over the past (say) 40 years was unchanged, but the incoming people dispersed all over the country, so there wasn't high numbers in one area and zero elsewhere - would that be a preferable situation?
The guy's is a genius who can argue. Kindly repoduced by Lucy, I find people like Sp1814 far more offensive, this guy is telling the truth 100% who can fault his logic? The yoghurt knitters here would have us all gloss over the facts to maintain some sort of lefty utopian impartialtiy the fact are clear.
R1Geezer
The title of this thread isn't actually accurate. The website author wasn't calling the UKIP a racist organisation...just 'sinister'.
You really think that Wiffen is a genuis who can argue?
He himself refers to his mail as something fired off in the heat of the moment.
Finally - do you think it's just the 'lefties' who argue against his summarisation of nationalistic characters?
The title of this thread isn't actually accurate. The website author wasn't calling the UKIP a racist organisation...just 'sinister'.
You really think that Wiffen is a genuis who can argue?
He himself refers to his mail as something fired off in the heat of the moment.
Finally - do you think it's just the 'lefties' who argue against his summarisation of nationalistic characters?
R1Geezer
We tend to say what's in our hearts, rather than the 'truth'.
The whole idea of 'truth' is as you say, subjective. Whilst you may think that "all Romanian gypsies beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, and that Muslims are nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law, and the same Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into a slavery that Britain was first to abolish" - it doesn't necessarily make it true.
Are you saying that you cannot find anything to argue with in the above?
Can you see parallels with those 'truths' that some people claim about Jews and other 'truths' that some people claim about white men?
Do you think that there's a difference between discussing race, and posting what some could describe as a tirade?
We tend to say what's in our hearts, rather than the 'truth'.
The whole idea of 'truth' is as you say, subjective. Whilst you may think that "all Romanian gypsies beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, and that Muslims are nutters who want to kill us and put us under medieval Sharia law, and the same Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into a slavery that Britain was first to abolish" - it doesn't necessarily make it true.
Are you saying that you cannot find anything to argue with in the above?
Can you see parallels with those 'truths' that some people claim about Jews and other 'truths' that some people claim about white men?
Do you think that there's a difference between discussing race, and posting what some could describe as a tirade?
sp1814 I've now read , richard cor's document , which makes interesting reading.
I wonder how well the other parties would appear if they were subject to the same scrutiny. Richard seems to be obsessed with UKIP I wonder why ?
However if I vote for any minority party it will only be as a protest against the major parties none of whom have much credibility. At the moment UKIP seem to be the only party that has any voice against the EU and Immigration. Probably none of them will get elected but a UKIP vote may be the best protest vote there is. Who else is there ?
I wonder how well the other parties would appear if they were subject to the same scrutiny. Richard seems to be obsessed with UKIP I wonder why ?
However if I vote for any minority party it will only be as a protest against the major parties none of whom have much credibility. At the moment UKIP seem to be the only party that has any voice against the EU and Immigration. Probably none of them will get elected but a UKIP vote may be the best protest vote there is. Who else is there ?
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