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John Bull
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The figure, John Bull, was created in 1712 by Dr John Arbuthnot - a Scotsman - and he wears a waistcoat consisting of the Union Flag, originally commissioned just over a century earlier by King James VI/I - a Scotsman!
Isn't it wonderfully ironic that, from now on, all of Anotheoldgit's anglomaniacal rantings will be indelibly marked by this wholly "Scottish" figure? I love it!
Isn't it wonderfully ironic that, from now on, all of Anotheoldgit's anglomaniacal rantings will be indelibly marked by this wholly "Scottish" figure? I love it!
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I always though he represented Great Britain? I bow to your greater knowledge Quizzy! We may see a change to AoG's av then?
According to wikipedia, "… [he, John Bull that is] has not been accepted in Scotland or Wales because he is viewed there as English rather than British."
You'd think the Scot's would be giving us a drubbing over this, another of their inventions.
According to wikipedia, "… [he, John Bull that is] has not been accepted in Scotland or Wales because he is viewed there as English rather than British."
You'd think the Scot's would be giving us a drubbing over this, another of their inventions.
You're right, Kia. I put the word, Scottish, in inverted commas to indicate that I was using it in a particular way, namely, that JB was CREATED by Scots rather than symbolic OF them. As a Scot myself, I must agree with Wikipedia, that he has never been accepted by the Jocks. I mean, he looks like a pompous fat twonk, doesn't he?
Absolutely amazing, others on this site can choose their own avatars with no problem, but in my case such a person like Quizmonster (who incidentally doesn't seem capable of creating one for himself) will go to the lengths of researching the origination of John Bull, just so that he can make rather thick remarks aimed at me.
./// John Bull is the personification of the character of the English: honest, generous, straightforward, with a zest for life and ready to stand up and fight for what he believes in.///
http://www.historic-u...ultureUK/JohnBull.htm
/// According to wikipedia ///, Now we all know how accurate wilipedia is don't we? But never the less providing Scotland considers John Bull English, then anything that disassociates me from Scotland is OK by me.
/// I mean, he looks like a pompous fat twonk, doesn't he? ///
The mentality of a person that will aim abuse at a fictional caricature.
./// John Bull is the personification of the character of the English: honest, generous, straightforward, with a zest for life and ready to stand up and fight for what he believes in.///
http://www.historic-u...ultureUK/JohnBull.htm
/// According to wikipedia ///, Now we all know how accurate wilipedia is don't we? But never the less providing Scotland considers John Bull English, then anything that disassociates me from Scotland is OK by me.
/// I mean, he looks like a pompous fat twonk, doesn't he? ///
The mentality of a person that will aim abuse at a fictional caricature.
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Anotheoldgit, Why would you assume that the reason my name is not accompanied by an avatar is because I am "not capable of creating one"? Is jumping to conclusions the only exercise you get? If YOU can create one, surely ANYONE can. The fact is that I can see no rational reason why anyone over the age of thirteen would WANT one.
I've known for decades that John Bull was a totally Scottish creation, so no great "lengths" of research were required. And which of my words were "thick"? You ARE totally anglo-centric and you DO rant...endlessly. All the other words were straightforward facts, as are these.
Steve.5, Not in this day and age the hoary old nonsense of an Englishman having invented the kilt, surely! This was an absurdity paraded by Professor Trevor-Roper...he who authenticated the Hitler Diaries. Here's part of what Professor Tom Devine of Aberdeen University has to say on the matter, "Not so. Long before 1727 (the date of Rawlinson's supposed invention) there are pictures of Highlanders gathering up their plaids into the short kilt." In other words, hard pictorial evidence exists that the tale is a fabrication...just like the diaries.
Aw, come on, R1G! How could I avoid taking the mickey out of Anotheoldgit's avatar, given who and what he is? YOUR avatar says everything that needs to be said about you; specifically your total besottedness with the Labour Party. Your every breath seems devoted to it. As to MY avatar, please see my fourth sentence above.
I've known for decades that John Bull was a totally Scottish creation, so no great "lengths" of research were required. And which of my words were "thick"? You ARE totally anglo-centric and you DO rant...endlessly. All the other words were straightforward facts, as are these.
Steve.5, Not in this day and age the hoary old nonsense of an Englishman having invented the kilt, surely! This was an absurdity paraded by Professor Trevor-Roper...he who authenticated the Hitler Diaries. Here's part of what Professor Tom Devine of Aberdeen University has to say on the matter, "Not so. Long before 1727 (the date of Rawlinson's supposed invention) there are pictures of Highlanders gathering up their plaids into the short kilt." In other words, hard pictorial evidence exists that the tale is a fabrication...just like the diaries.
Aw, come on, R1G! How could I avoid taking the mickey out of Anotheoldgit's avatar, given who and what he is? YOUR avatar says everything that needs to be said about you; specifically your total besottedness with the Labour Party. Your every breath seems devoted to it. As to MY avatar, please see my fourth sentence above.
R1G, Day after day after day here on AnswerBank, you probably draw attention to the word 'Labour' more frequently - and now with every single post you make - than Gordon Brown does out on the campaign trail! I reckon it's one of the finest examples of subliminal advertising I've seen in ages. Why don't you come clean? You're Peter Mandelson, really, aren't you?
I meant to add this to my last answer, R1G...
Haggis is considered by most English people to be a disgusting concoction that only the Scots could have created, yet here you are upholding the claim that it is English after all!
As one member of the Saltire Society put it when this news first broke, "I'd tuck into it with even greater gusto if I thought that it had been invented by the English. I mean, they are bound to have invented SOMETHING worthwhile."
Re the other matter, confession is good for the soul, they say. Cheers
Haggis is considered by most English people to be a disgusting concoction that only the Scots could have created, yet here you are upholding the claim that it is English after all!
As one member of the Saltire Society put it when this news first broke, "I'd tuck into it with even greater gusto if I thought that it had been invented by the English. I mean, they are bound to have invented SOMETHING worthwhile."
Re the other matter, confession is good for the soul, they say. Cheers
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Steve.5, I didn't say Trevor-Roper was your source. If you care actually to read what I wrote, you will see I merely pointed out that he was central to the promulgation of the idea that the kilt was invented by an Englishman, a notion which you seem to have adopted. In other words, WHATEVER your source was, it's as wrong as he was and you are. So what was your source?
Yes, R1G, my partner and I celebrate Burns' Night in the traditional way every January. One year I address the haggis and the next she does. As there is always more than the two of us can eat, we have over the years handed plates of haggis, neeps and tatties to English neighbours. They have become firm converts to it, too, never having tasted it until we provided the opportunity! I think you should spread the news as to just how good this fine English dish is!
Yes, R1G, my partner and I celebrate Burns' Night in the traditional way every January. One year I address the haggis and the next she does. As there is always more than the two of us can eat, we have over the years handed plates of haggis, neeps and tatties to English neighbours. They have become firm converts to it, too, never having tasted it until we provided the opportunity! I think you should spread the news as to just how good this fine English dish is!
