Time for an English National Anthem?

[Gromit]

The Welsh have an official national anthem, and the Scots sing Flower of Scotland at football and rugby matches, but the English are stuck with the the anthem for the United Kingdom.

At the Commonwealth Games, Jerusalem will be played for English medal winners.

Should that be extended to England Football and Rugby matches, or should it stay as it is?

http://news.bbc.co.uk...politics/10407937.stm

[Sqad]

Just looked up what jingoism means..........still not sure that I understand the post.

[Quizmonster]

I hadn't heard of the poll, Gromit. I wonder how many people did? Re 'Jerusalem', the opening two verses consist of four questions to all of which the answer is quite clearly, "No!" However, I wish the English well of it as their anthem.

[Gromit]

// Jingoism is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as "extreme patriotism in the form of aggressive foreign policy". In practice, it refers to the advocation of the use of threats or actual force against other countries in order to safeguard what they perceive as their country's national interests, and colloquially to excessive bias in judging one's own country as superior to others – an extreme type of nationalism. //

I don't see how that applies to Jerusalem which is about building heaven in England.

[Dris]

Jerusalem it is then ;)

[OrcadianOil]

Quizmonster said that "Land" as in Land of Hope and Glory:

"referred to ALL of Britain". What a claim to make. On what authority do you make that? You merely "suppose" that to be the case because it was written for a coronation? There is absolutely no verification to support that nebulous theory. It is an anthem which has always been associated with only England.


Had your claim been so, it would have been adopted also by Scotland and Wales many years ago, because it is a lovely tune. I defy anyone to purport that it has any connection whatsoever with those Celtic nations.

[anotheoldgit]

It is about time that the English football team learnt the words to our anthem, it is only a few that sing it with gusto.

The other overpaid prima donnas could at least take the trouble to open their mouths and mime it.

[steg]

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nnnM-__JQ(Optional) Enter URL

[wolf63]

Although I do like "Flower of Scotland" I also like "Caledonia" and "Scotland the Brave".

[jno]

Quizmonster, yes, it has been noted that the correct response to the first three verses is No, No, No, No, and Get Them Yourself!

[cc1]

Re "jingoism", why is that only applied to the English?
Aren't all anthems by their nature jingoistic, eg Advance Australia Fair, sung to the tune of God Bless the Prince of Wales, Deutschland Ueber Alles, Star Spangled Banner etc.

[TCL-MUMPING]

I don't see why it can not be that LOHAG was about Britain rather than England. The Union Flag has for many years been thought to be the English flag and many folk call Britain "England". Why then, can it not be that the English have claimed wrongly that LOHAG refers to England and not Britain?

[MarkRae]

> The Union Flag has for many years been thought to be the English flag

That doesn't make it right...


> and many folk call Britain "England"

In which case, they're idiots...

[TCL-MUMPING]

I have not said that it was right, I am merely offering other examples of things that are British being claimed as English

[MarkRae]

> I have not said that it was right

??? So you already know that it's wrong, but you still say that you don't see why LOHAG shouldn't be the *English* national anthem - how does that work, exactly...?

Why not "There'll Always Be an England"? Or "Wake Up England" by Maddy Prior? Or "English Rose" by Paul Weller?

[MarkRae]

Written by Paul Weller. Played entirely by Paul Weller. No Bruce Foxton or Rick Buckler on it at all...

[MarkRae]

> also Fleetwood Mac...Motorhead

I'm not familiar with that. I love the Hawkwind song, though - must be the only song with the lyric "moving like a parallelogram"... :-)