Banning the veil

[mike11111]

I'm beginning to have second thoughts. If this is the lady shown in the photograph who was fined for wearing the veil then she is due a refund.

http://news.bbc.co.uk...d/europe/10611398.stm

[TWR]

This is a minefield, but I have a democratic right to say what I think, when & if they come off the Plane at the boarder control are they wearing a full Vail? Does it show the full Vail on their passport? If I went into a Bank with a Crash helmet on I would be asked to remove it for security reasons & that is right, when driving a car as we have all seen have these people got FULL VISION? I think not, I to a point feel sorry for these women, their men seem to be " Control freaks" never mind their religion, they from what I have seen treat their women like 2ND rate citizens! I have said this before, & before you bloody Racist's @rsols jump up & down with my views, this is Britain we have free speech ( well I think we have) Hanza seems to get away with it so, why can't the UK People? & again before you Bloody Human Rights brigade pipe up, I abide by this country's rules not flaunt them when It suits. Now the Racist brigade condemn what has been stated, are the comments true? I only speak the truth & so does the thoughts of others..

[coccinelle]

Why do you ask, when they come off the plane? They don't arrive from anywhere, they can be born in Europe and once married their husbands force them to wear the full burka.

[ethandron]

some ladies choose to wear it.

[ayabrea38]

There are the ones that say they wear one for themselves....I dont get some people

[cazzz1975]

of course they choose to, these women have worn a veil most of their lives, its not that easy to ditch something that has been a part of your life for so long.

[coccinelle]

Quite honestly, there are days when after gardening or DIY I can't be bothered to get hair done, put make up on, get into clean clothes and just need to pop down the corner shop for something and wonder, now if I slipped a burka on ....
Honestly, I don't know any Muslim woman who prefers to go out in this heat dressed like that when she could wear cool clothing

[boxtops]

I think this time we might be missing mike's ppoint - the person in the picture with the title "Muslim woman fined...." is most definitely a bearded bloke, not an unveiled woman!
BTW TWR we were behind a woman wearing a nikab veil at the airport recently, she was asked to go aside and show her face to Passport Control. She went but the bloke with her objected and was put firmly in his place.

[coccinelle]

cazzz i don't know if you've noticed but children don't wear a veil it's only women who are bethrothed or wed who wear them.

[cazzz1975]

this is why they have to be banned, its nothing to do with religion, more to do with national security.

[ayabrea38]

BUT if they have been wearing the veil most of their lives,why do small children not wear them-is it a coming of age thing(what age,4,5)???

[boxtops]

PS Coccinelle, I've worn hijab in Arab lands, the overdress is very cool and you can just wear a t-shirt and light skirt or leggings underneath, it's not at all stifling.
Cazz's point is true, you can get away with all sorts of hair under the headscarf - thought the women I met in Saudi had exquisite clothing and the latest hairstyles under their full black gear.

[boxtops]

It's to do with puberty, ayabrea - when one becomes mature, one starts to cover out of modesty. Until then, little girls just wear normal summer dresses or equivalent local dress.

[cazzz1975]

I saw a little girl wearing a purple veil yesterday, her mom had a burka on. the little girls clothes were westernised but she wore a little headress that covered her face and head.

[tamborine]

great to avoid photo evidence from speed cameras.

[cazzz1975]

they are great for committing a lot of crimes tamb, thats the problem..

[boxtops]

Dressing up to be like mum, then, cazzz?
I hardly ever see anyone wearing a full burka unless I go to London, several locally wearing the headscarf but burka-wearers really are realtively few. They said this morning that in France there will only be about 2000 women affected who wear the full gear.
Most Muslim women I know wear modest UK clothing (or their own cultural clothes eg shalwar-kameez) and a headscarf.

[cazzz1975]

I live in birmingham and it is densely populated with all sorts of nationalities, some parts of birmingham are 99% muslim, I see burkas around a lot, I dont have a problem with the women that wear them apart from finding it difficult to make out what they are saying, my worry is the abuse of the burka for criminal activities.

although the women who wear burka's whilst driving are very dangerous, they cannot see properly and I have had a few close calls.

[TWR]

RE-READ my comment cocinelle, I said "IF" the women have a brain they must also have the choice THEMSELFS to use the vail not what their religion or their husband states. would YOU, if you where married / SINGLE be forced to DO WHAT YOUR HUSBAND tells you to do?

[coccinelle]

True boxtops; only 2000 will be affected but there has been a rise in the past couple of years. Young male muslims are being led to believe that if their wife wears the burka they will go to paradise so shows his wife is pure.
I still laugh when I go into Paris and notice the burka clad women getting their photos taken in front of the Louvre or the Eiffel Tower.... I mean?????

[cazzz1975]

they are conditioned though twr, its hard to encourage these women to think outside the box if they are brought up to be subservient