ChatterBank1 min ago
Headmaster killer is released
http://www.dailymail....O=1708&referrer=yahoo
Some of the comments say that he never should've been released etc...
Do you agree? Should you be held accountable for your actions at 14? Was you in your right frame of mind at 14 or has your mindset changed between 14 and adulthood?
Some of the comments say that he never should've been released etc...
Do you agree? Should you be held accountable for your actions at 14? Was you in your right frame of mind at 14 or has your mindset changed between 14 and adulthood?
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There are many people in the UK who believe that “Life” for murder should mean just that and, in relation to most cases of murder, I am one of them (but I’m neither a regular Daily Mail reader, nor do I consider myself uneducated). That was the deal the public were told they would get when the abolition of the death penalty was being debated in the 1960s.
In this particular case I may tend towards leniency because of Mr Learco’s youth at the time of the offence. However, fourteen years for such a brutal and unprovoked murder is far too lenient.
To finish answering your question, Mr Rubix, as much as I disliked some of them I most certainly was not disposed to plunge a knife into the body of any of my teachers at 14, or indeed at any other age before or since, so my mindset has not altered over the years.
He has not actually served his sentence, sqad. He was sentenced to Life. My definition of that is until he dies. It is m’Learned Friends who have put a different slant on the meaning, continuing to hand out what are amusingly termed “Life” sentences when in reality they mean about 10-20 years. Their defence of the term is that those released from prison are always liable to be recalled, but I don’t think my dictionary definition of the term stretches that far.
Of course now that Mr Clarke has got his hands on the keys to the prisons we are likely to see murderers spending even less time in prison and there is talk of abolishing the mandatory “Life” sentences for all murders. At least that will be honest and if fixed term sentences are imposed at least the public will know exactly how much a murderer will serve (half the sentence handed down, less any other rebate the Justice Department sees fit to dispense to balance their books).
In this particular case I may tend towards leniency because of Mr Learco’s youth at the time of the offence. However, fourteen years for such a brutal and unprovoked murder is far too lenient.
To finish answering your question, Mr Rubix, as much as I disliked some of them I most certainly was not disposed to plunge a knife into the body of any of my teachers at 14, or indeed at any other age before or since, so my mindset has not altered over the years.
He has not actually served his sentence, sqad. He was sentenced to Life. My definition of that is until he dies. It is m’Learned Friends who have put a different slant on the meaning, continuing to hand out what are amusingly termed “Life” sentences when in reality they mean about 10-20 years. Their defence of the term is that those released from prison are always liable to be recalled, but I don’t think my dictionary definition of the term stretches that far.
Of course now that Mr Clarke has got his hands on the keys to the prisons we are likely to see murderers spending even less time in prison and there is talk of abolishing the mandatory “Life” sentences for all murders. At least that will be honest and if fixed term sentences are imposed at least the public will know exactly how much a murderer will serve (half the sentence handed down, less any other rebate the Justice Department sees fit to dispense to balance their books).
Squad, he is actually under licence for life (real life not lefty life) so effectively still serving. Just that our liberal peers deem it fit for him to be out on the street despite the fact 3 years ago he was such a riske we wanted to deport him.
Well, when he reoffends I just hope its a liberal leaning hand wringing lefty. At least some good will have come of it then.
Well, when he reoffends I just hope its a liberal leaning hand wringing lefty. At least some good will have come of it then.
///every murderer///
Rather presupposes that all murders and all murderers are the same.
Clearly they are not.
Hit someone too hard in a fight - murderer
Premeditated for several months - murderer
Crime of passion - murderer
Shoot someone during a robbery - murderer
Perhaps some defined sentences for 'killing' in a system of 'degree' like the americans
- as long as it doesn't become a formula for plea bargaining.
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Rather presupposes that all murders and all murderers are the same.
Clearly they are not.
Hit someone too hard in a fight - murderer
Premeditated for several months - murderer
Crime of passion - murderer
Shoot someone during a robbery - murderer
Perhaps some defined sentences for 'killing' in a system of 'degree' like the americans
- as long as it doesn't become a formula for plea bargaining.
.
A point of pedantry in relation to this question, Zeuhl, but certainly the first and very often the last categories of killing in your examples are almost certain to be charged as manslaughter (for which there is currently not a mandatory "Life" sentence).
Murder has to be committed with intent to kill and defendants killing somebody in your two examples will almost certainly run the defence of "unintentional" and would in the majority of cases be successful.
Murder has to be committed with intent to kill and defendants killing somebody in your two examples will almost certainly run the defence of "unintentional" and would in the majority of cases be successful.
There was a released murderer on TV the other day. He served 24 years I think.
His view was that many murderers reform in prison and come out to live useful lives; many of them keep going because there is a hope (if only slim) that they will one day be able to do this and that removal of all hope would tip people over the edge and mean that many of them would become impossible for prison staff to manage.
After all, if the situation is hopeless, what does anyone have to lose?
The only constructive feature in any capital offence is that the perpetrator might in time redeem themselves in some way.
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His view was that many murderers reform in prison and come out to live useful lives; many of them keep going because there is a hope (if only slim) that they will one day be able to do this and that removal of all hope would tip people over the edge and mean that many of them would become impossible for prison staff to manage.
After all, if the situation is hopeless, what does anyone have to lose?
The only constructive feature in any capital offence is that the perpetrator might in time redeem themselves in some way.
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