The Big Friday Debate.

[NoMercy]

Our Penal System:

Too harsh or too lenient?

And how would YOU amend it to reduce crime in this country?

[ummmm]

I think it was R1Geezer that mentioned it a few times in news and I actually think it's a good idea. For serious crimes (murder, rape, paedophilia) Out source it to places like Thailand. It would be much cheaper....and much harsher.

[NoMercy]

So effectively "quarantining" society's most heinous criminals? That would work in two ways....

They are far away from the rest of humanity, and as such, unable to endanger the public.

Also, less money would be spent on protecting the criminals and ensuring that their "human rights" aren't breached.

[sara3]

but.. some may have innocent families who are torn apart by what has happened, and they wouldn't be able to see their loved ones.

an extra tragedy when there are children involved.

I must admit, on the whole I think it's a good idea.

[Davethedog]

"hello is that the prime minister of Thailand, this is Teresa May, we have some prisoners we want locked up for life and we want to send them to you"

Reply

"F%^& off"

[ummmm]

Not so much quarantining....just send them somewhere where they have NO human rights.

[Bbbananas]

Too harsh on petty crimes such as shoplifting, too lenient on the harsher crimes such as murder, violent rapes, paedophilia etc.

[ummmm]

Thailand....it's a money making scheme for them.

[bc7683023]

Out source it to places like Thailand?
Thailand is one of the most beautiful places on earth why would we want to taint this paradise? Just to keep our own miserable little country clean? Lol, we done that before remember all those criminals we sent to that "Hellhole" Australia? We thought we were being clever and now they're in the sun whilst we're stuck here. If we're going to start sending criminals to destinations like Thailand then Im going to start committing crime!

[carmalee]

Do I detect a little provocation in your answer No Mercy? - whilst not perfect our legal system is as good as you'll get - yes it's open to abuse and mistakes but nothings perfect. I think sentencing is far too lenient and I think in mates shouldn't have it so cushy inside. As for their human rights - think they have forfeited their right to that when they broke the law.

[Barmaid]

Trouble is, didn't we already try shipping our convicts abroad? Look what happened - we got Australia.

[Bobbisox]

A penal colony like Devils Island or some remote place where they would have to learn discipline under a very strict regime, rather than be given computers and DSs to help out their boredom, as for Huntley and the like, a lethal injection would save the tax payer shed loads of money!

[Davethedog]

Where does the idea thatThailand would want or accept these people come from, its ridiculous.

There are hundreds of unihabited islands surrounding this country, build a giant prison that has self contained cells, and throw them in thier, no community, no social interaction and charge any one who wants to see them £1k per boat trip to get thier.

[ummmm]

The most beautiful place on earth???? How much time did you spend in Bangkok? Did you see the families living on the railway lines.....open sewers...babies asleep in the street?

There's much more to Thailand than Phi Phi and Koh Samui...

[NoMercy]

Salla... I once had my skull fractured by a shoplifter when I was in business. I caught her with 12 items (I only actually recovered 11, for some reason). She grabbed my ear and headbutted me. During the struggle, a police officer sat in his car, watching the whole thing unfold, making no attempt to come to my assistance. Members of the public stood there and watched. The resulting bruising down my face was horrendous. Then it transpired that she'd been arrested 13 times that year for shoplifting. Had the courts not slapped her wrists and turned her over so many times, I may not have ended up with those injuries.

Laughably, the CICA kindly informed me that my injuries were not severe enough to warrant any amount of compensation, even at the lowest tariff. Though I daresay my attacker had all the help she needed when she was finally incarcerated.

[bc7683023]

Correction barmaid we got rubbish and gave the criminals Australia.
Bobbisox penal colonies as Devils Island are perfect! Did you watch Papillon?

[Barmaid]

I've got to take issue with the "cushy life inside" statement. Open prisons are pretty cushy, I agree. But they tend to house non violent criminals. Cat A or B prisons are truly dreadful (and I've been in a couple) they really are cramped, stinking, scary hellholes.

[ummmm]

I'm looking at it as a business....How much does it cost the country to house a prisoner per year?

Ship them there....on release ship them back. Cheaper...

[Bbbananas]

I get your point NoM - but that was an extreme case and one with violence - not the norm I wouldn't have thought. She should have been penalised for the violence, that's for sure.

[Bobbisox]

yes I did, it was a supberb film bc