Immigration

[EEZABLADE32]

Watching the crime documentaries on TV there seems to be a preponderance of East European and African criminals . This is also highlighted in the media. My question is are these people deported and not allowed back into the country and if not, why.
Also there's lots of complaints about inadequate space for criminals. As there are plenty of uninhabitted islands arond Britain, couldn't we make a penal colony.
Sorry to sound a bit to the right of Genghis Khan, I'm not, but am a very concerned British citizen.

[jake-the-peg]

http://www.inbrief.co...moval-from-the-uk.htm


Under Section 32 of the UK Borders Act 2007 The Secretary of State has a duty to make a deportation order in respect of a person who is not a British citizen who has been convicted in the UK of an offence and sentences to either:

* A period of imprisonment of at least 12 months
* A period of imprisonment of any duration for a particularly serious offence

exceptions

Section 33 of the UK Border Act provides for the following exceptions to the duty of deportation provided for by Section 32. They are as follows:

* Where an individual raises claim for Asylum
* Where an individual raises a claim under the Human Rights Act 1998
* Where the foreign criminal was under the age of 18 on the date of conviction
* Where the foreign criminal is an EEA citizen
* Where the foreign criminal is the immediate family of an EEA citizen
* Where there are mental health problems or the individual is a recognised victim of trafficking

However, in the circumstances that an exception applies this will not bar any request for deportation as the Secretary of State can still pursue a claim for deportation.

[jake-the-peg]

Ah sorry may have misunderstood - You're asking about them not being allowed back?

Not sure about that I think if they're a national from that country they can be deported, under the above terms

I think problems can arise when people have no papers (or none can be found) and it can't be established which country they are actually from

[VHG]

Not all immigrant criminals are deported.

There was a case a few months ago of a man found guilty of rape I think it was, but because he had an English wife (or child cant remember exact details) he could not be deported.

Seems it would breach his human tights (of course nobody cares about the human rights of the next person in this country he rapes)

[B00]

human tights- i like it!

[modeller]

Sarkosy for our next prime minister perhaps ! Our gutless lot will never do anything .

[TTG]

Regarding penal colonies or even building new prisons. Unfortunately the buildings where the prisoners would be kept would have to conform to masses of human rights laws and be as comfortable and equipped as hotels. Therefore, they would be much too expensive to build. Probably why there are so many comments to the effect that "our prisons are full" but no comments to the effect "we are building new ones".

[jake-the-peg]

Our "gutless lot" were somewhat ahead of Sarkosy, Modeller

Romanians and Bulgarians do not have automatic rights to live and work in the UK as we kicked up before they joined the EU.

As this current lot want to back Turkish Membership of the EU I rather think they would not have taken the same actions

Seems to be that Cameron's intereset starts and ends at whether or not it drives down the cost of labour and thuis helps businesses

[sp1814]

modeller

It's not our politicians' fault...it's the electorate.

The BNP and UKIP not only failed to win any parliamentary seats at the last election, but they were swept away at the local elections.

If there was a party which were able to express a strong immigration policy without attracting the 'knuckle-scrapers', then there may be a chance for those to the political right to have their say...

...but there isn't.

[fredpuli47]

It's curious, but some nationalities' criminals specialise in certain crimes. We still get Colombian pickpockets, a seasonal trade for them as they move from hemisphere to hemisphere according to season, we used to get Nigerian cross-fire cheque fraudsters, we now get Albanian and some other Eastern European pimps and prostitutes, also beggars.. Mind, years ago, all the three card trick players in London were from one estate in Camberwell !. Recently a Deputy Judge was complaining about pickpockets all from one country.
The EU doesn't help, allowing people to cross borders to and fro easily, but I suppose it can't be blamed for Colombians and all those Nigerian drug mules we see. Of course, the government can refuse entry to anyone seen as undesirable, whether or not the person has convictions or is a known criminal, but that's fairly rarely used and impractical as broad crime control.

[EEZABLADE32]

So how are these Colombians getting into the country. I used to be an advocate of immigration/intergration, not now. Can't we just for once get tough and set up a force to find out who are illegal immigrants and run them out quickly and ensure they don't come back.
As for jails make them as tough as possible so noone wants to go back.
Lets just get tough.

[modeller]

jake # Our "gutless lot" were somewhat ahead of Sarkosy, Modeller #
Really ? How many have we sent back ?

# I think problems can arise when people have no papers (or none can be found) and it can't be established which country they are actually from #
That is a problem but we could refuse to let them off the plane . W

[modeller]

W

[modeller]

We could refuse to pay them any benefits. In short we could make life very difficult for all illegals .I know this will upset the Do-Gooders but in the long run it may be the only option.

jake # Seems to be that Cameron's intereset starts and ends at whether or not it drives down the cost of labour and thuis helps businesses #
If that is true , then it applied even more to Labour. It was them that allowed poorly controlled immigration.