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Who'd have thought it...racists love Abba!!!
Well done to Benny and Bjorn for taking action against the Danish People's Party:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...world-europe-11403230
But it DOES raise the question - shouldn't right wingers of all nationalities be listening to something a little more 'hardcore' such as Chamber 88, White Diamond or Strike Force?
What next? The BNP adopting 'Barbie Girl' as their anthem???
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...world-europe-11403230
But it DOES raise the question - shouldn't right wingers of all nationalities be listening to something a little more 'hardcore' such as Chamber 88, White Diamond or Strike Force?
What next? The BNP adopting 'Barbie Girl' as their anthem???
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Now the 'nasty left' are telling us what music to listen to.
Didn't Hitler ban 'Jazz' because it was invented by Black people?
If you want hardcore sp look what I have come up with
http://www.last.fm/mu...ay+Black+Nazi+Brigade
To get back to the question, I thought providing one had a licence for music, one did not have to approach each and every artist in turn to ask permission to play their music.
Didn't Hitler ban 'Jazz' because it was invented by Black people?
If you want hardcore sp look what I have come up with
http://www.last.fm/mu...ay+Black+Nazi+Brigade
To get back to the question, I thought providing one had a licence for music, one did not have to approach each and every artist in turn to ask permission to play their music.
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naomi24
Yes I read the same link as you, but perhaps could see the more serious implications in it than I presume you did.
But perhaps I should have phrased it better by saying, "what music we can't play or listen to"
/// without permission, adopted Abba's song as an anthem and changed the lyrics to meet their own ends ///
Many are the songs that have been used for all purposes, and have been altered to suit a certain criteria, without first seeking the permission of the individual songwriter.
Rather than support Benny and Bjorn, I think they should stick to entertaining, rather than getting involved in politics.
Where could it end, if all entertainers only allowed their own choice in party politics to use their material?
The Young Conservatives not allowed to play X's music at their Summer Ball?
Yes I read the same link as you, but perhaps could see the more serious implications in it than I presume you did.
But perhaps I should have phrased it better by saying, "what music we can't play or listen to"
/// without permission, adopted Abba's song as an anthem and changed the lyrics to meet their own ends ///
Many are the songs that have been used for all purposes, and have been altered to suit a certain criteria, without first seeking the permission of the individual songwriter.
Rather than support Benny and Bjorn, I think they should stick to entertaining, rather than getting involved in politics.
Where could it end, if all entertainers only allowed their own choice in party politics to use their material?
The Young Conservatives not allowed to play X's music at their Summer Ball?
AOG
I *believe* the issue in this case is that Benny and Bjorn objected to the lyric of the song being re-recorded.
There was a similar case about a year ago when some British artists objected to the BNP using their music to raise funds via CD sales.
One of the artists involved was Billy Bragg.
It was a silly choice...like the KKK using 'No Woman No Cry' as a campaign song.
I *believe* the issue in this case is that Benny and Bjorn objected to the lyric of the song being re-recorded.
There was a similar case about a year ago when some British artists objected to the BNP using their music to raise funds via CD sales.
One of the artists involved was Billy Bragg.
It was a silly choice...like the KKK using 'No Woman No Cry' as a campaign song.
AOG,//Many are the songs that have been used for all purposes, and have been altered to suit a certain criteria, without first seeking the permission of the individual songwriter.//
No - they haven't - not unless the copyright has expired and there is no legal restriction on their use. I certainly wouldn't want my work associated with any political party and Benny and Bjorn are quite within their rights to take action.
Just as a matter of principle, and copyright laws aside, I take it you'd have no objection to 'The White Cliffs of Dover' or 'Land of Hope & Glory' being adopted and altered in order to rally the 'comrades' of the Socialist Workers Party then? Just a thought.
No - they haven't - not unless the copyright has expired and there is no legal restriction on their use. I certainly wouldn't want my work associated with any political party and Benny and Bjorn are quite within their rights to take action.
Just as a matter of principle, and copyright laws aside, I take it you'd have no objection to 'The White Cliffs of Dover' or 'Land of Hope & Glory' being adopted and altered in order to rally the 'comrades' of the Socialist Workers Party then? Just a thought.
/// Just as a matter of principle, and copyright laws aside, I take it you'd have no objection to 'The White Cliffs of Dover' or 'Land of Hope & Glory' being adopted and altered in order to rally the 'comrades' of the Socialist Workers Party then? Just a thought.///
Rule Britannia, two tanners make a bob, three make one and six and four two bob.
Couldn't care less it is only a song, just like name calling.
We on 'Right' are not so uptight and twisted as the 'Nasty Left' are.
Rule Britannia, two tanners make a bob, three make one and six and four two bob.
Couldn't care less it is only a song, just like name calling.
We on 'Right' are not so uptight and twisted as the 'Nasty Left' are.
"Rather than support Benny and Bjorn, I think they should stick to entertaining, rather than getting involved in politics."
Come on AOG, you know better than that!
Any individual who works and pays taxes has a right to have an opinion on matters that affect them - after all, you are not a serving solider (in the past perhaps?) but you and I have enjoyed many an exchange over the invasions involving UK troops recent times.
Being 'an entertainer' does not mean one lives in a bubble - wheeled out for the odd concert and recording and not required for anything else.
I think any musician has a right to protest at the misuse of his or her work for aims with which they do not agree -and enjoy the rights to legal redress that are afforded to all residents of a free society.
"Where could it end, if all entertainers only allowed their own choice in party politics to use their material?"
Where it is now - artists have rights over their work, protected by law - and misuse of those rights has consequences - which is prefectly right and proper.
Margaret Thatcher's favourite record is 'Telstar' - no problem, but if the Conservatives had put a vocal over it advocating capitalism and 'no such thing as society' - that would have been a different issue entirely.
Enjoying art is not the same as subverting it for political ends.
Come on AOG, you know better than that!
Any individual who works and pays taxes has a right to have an opinion on matters that affect them - after all, you are not a serving solider (in the past perhaps?) but you and I have enjoyed many an exchange over the invasions involving UK troops recent times.
Being 'an entertainer' does not mean one lives in a bubble - wheeled out for the odd concert and recording and not required for anything else.
I think any musician has a right to protest at the misuse of his or her work for aims with which they do not agree -and enjoy the rights to legal redress that are afforded to all residents of a free society.
"Where could it end, if all entertainers only allowed their own choice in party politics to use their material?"
Where it is now - artists have rights over their work, protected by law - and misuse of those rights has consequences - which is prefectly right and proper.
Margaret Thatcher's favourite record is 'Telstar' - no problem, but if the Conservatives had put a vocal over it advocating capitalism and 'no such thing as society' - that would have been a different issue entirely.
Enjoying art is not the same as subverting it for political ends.
AOG
'Rather than support Benny and Bjorn, I think they should stick to entertaining, rather than getting involved in politics.'
Pertinent point and one which Benny Andersson agrees with in the article!
“Abba never allows its music to be used in a political context. This is something that we have pointed out to the Danish People's Party".
'Rather than support Benny and Bjorn, I think they should stick to entertaining, rather than getting involved in politics.'
Pertinent point and one which Benny Andersson agrees with in the article!
“Abba never allows its music to be used in a political context. This is something that we have pointed out to the Danish People's Party".
You put up quite a good argument Andy, some points that I can't disagree with.
But I still can't quite get my head around the fact that when one has purchased a piece of music and also paid a licence fee to play it, one is still restricted further.
Incidentally the case sp1814 was referring to regarding a similar case about a year ago when some British artists objected to the BNP using their music to raise funds via CD sales, didn't the BNP get their way?
http://news.bbc.co.uk...rtainment/8071467.stm
But I still can't quite get my head around the fact that when one has purchased a piece of music and also paid a licence fee to play it, one is still restricted further.
Incidentally the case sp1814 was referring to regarding a similar case about a year ago when some British artists objected to the BNP using their music to raise funds via CD sales, didn't the BNP get their way?
http://news.bbc.co.uk...rtainment/8071467.stm
AOG - I think we are debating two separate points here -
if a musician releases material which is used in ways other than those he would wish - as higlighted in your news item, then that is simply unfortunate, and I entirely agree that use of public domain music for legal purposes - however potentially objectionable those purposes may be seen to be - is entirely right and proper, and within the freedoms of a democratic society.
But as I understand it, the Abba song has been 'doctored' to include a political message, and that does infringe the artists' copyright and they have legal redress, which they have chosen to use.
So yes, I entirely take your point about the use of a piece of music in the public arena, but i do agree that musicians have a right to prevent the appeal of their work being subverted for political agendas with which they do not personally concur.
if a musician releases material which is used in ways other than those he would wish - as higlighted in your news item, then that is simply unfortunate, and I entirely agree that use of public domain music for legal purposes - however potentially objectionable those purposes may be seen to be - is entirely right and proper, and within the freedoms of a democratic society.
But as I understand it, the Abba song has been 'doctored' to include a political message, and that does infringe the artists' copyright and they have legal redress, which they have chosen to use.
So yes, I entirely take your point about the use of a piece of music in the public arena, but i do agree that musicians have a right to prevent the appeal of their work being subverted for political agendas with which they do not personally concur.
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