Massive fraud by Asylum Seeker

[VHG]

Here we have an example of how easy it easy for people entering this country to claim HUGE amounts of money with little checking by our various agencies.

Those of you go out to work today, and pay your taxes, this is where some of the money is going.

Surely we are the most gullible country in the world.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...h-east-wales-11696656

[sara3]

there was a large degree of dishonesty in this case, and he was evidently found out.

investigating fraud isn't covered by "a little checking" as there are various acts that govern which checks can be made, and when.

I'm sure you're aware of the governments plans for "benefit cleansing".

[jno]

I believe Brits steal money too; and sometimes they also get caught and jailed. That all seems pretty normal, though regrettable.

[ummmm]

I think people get really miffed because Brits aren't aren't given the opportunity to fraud other countries in the same manner...

[jno]

sure they are, ummmm, but yer modern Brit lacks the initiative. When you think of how your forefathers like Francis Drake were pirating aroudn the seven seas, then think of their descendants sprawled by their pools in Spain too lazy to get out and rob anyone... makes you want to cry.

[ummmm]

lol....

I mean other Countries benefit systems :-)

[jno]

maybe they are and they're not getting caught, who knows. But I suspect most of them can't be bothered getting involved with local bureaucracy.

[VHG]

Yes but lets suppose he had NOT committed fraud but been a genuine person who was destitute, he was still given £210,000 by the UK Border Agency.

How may other genuine destitute Asylum Seekers are also being given huge amounts of money.

I have worked hard all my life and have now retired, living in a house worth about £250,000. I had to work for this, no government agency gave me the money to help me buy my house.

Why should someone just be able to walk into the country (with a wife and six kids) and be given in 5 years what it had taken me all my life to save up.

Also now he is in prison we are also paying for that, AND I guess his wife and 6 kids are also still living here, on benefits probably.

Here we are having to make government and council savings all over the place, while people like this are given huge amounts of money in just 5 years.

[VHG]

>>>When you think of how your forefathers like Francis Drake

Oh come on grow up, that was 400 years ago, this is NOW.

[Jemisa]

HOW do they get the knowledge of these things anyway? Even us Brits don't know half the things we can claim for, no-one tells us. But so often one hears of foreigners who come here and claim everything, they seem to know how.
Besides there is an enormous amount of form filling to do. I understand they have helpers but they can't surely get everything they ask for.
I get miffed because after numerous amounts of form filling, letters from my doc and assessments from other docs I was turned down 3 times for D A.(after 3 years it was granted)
Just how do they do it?

jem

[jno]

we have to pay the price for people in prison whatever their origin; that's just part of modern living, unfortunately. As for the amount, it does seem generous.

[jno]

erm, the Francis Drake comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek - at least ummmm got it...

[ummmm]

Jem...they have people to do it for them.

[cc1]

Simple really, asylum seeker breaks the law, no appeal whatever the circumstances, sent back.
Yes I know our home grown dregs steal etc. etc., unfortunately we can't do anything with them, but at least where we can do something, let's do it.

[Jemisa]

I know ummmm, I said so myself,I had a helper from the soc/svs but I didn't get Yes, Yes, Yes, There's pannels of people deciding Yey or Ney. How come they get all the yey's? They don't have to wait 3 years do they.?

jem

[ummmm]

I presume some do...it's just we don't hear about those.

[jno]

ah, I see Abu Hamza is getting his passport back. That'll be nice. Another candidate for exile to Rockall I would have thought.

[New Judge]

I note the BBC’s report says “he will be deported after jail”. Overly optimistic, I would suggest and highly unlikely.

After jail (where he will be for 12 months at most) he will either be released into the community because the Border Agency will not have prepared the paperwork for his immediate detention and deportation (having had only 12 months to do so), or he will immediately restart his claim for asylum. If this is unsuccessful (and I’m not sure on what grounds he claims that he is in peril in his native Qatar) he will claim sanctuary under the Human Rights Act. This is very likely to succeed because he will by then have established a private and family life here for more than six years and he will have to leave his wife and children.

As VHG suggests, even if he had claimed the benefits legitimately, why on earth should the taxpayers of the UK fund him and his family to this level. I believe that Qatar has one of the highest per capita GDPs in the world. It is by no means a poor nation and Mr. Al-Sulaiti seems intelligent enough to be able to gain employment there. Perhaps it is not so desirable as Swansea because I doubt that the authorities there dispense vast sums of other people’s dosh to anybody who asks for it.

Yes sara, there are various obstacles put in the way of agencies entrusted with public money. However, many of them are procedural and not statutory and those dishing out taxpayers’ funds should be encouraged to make immediate enquiries of anybody claiming benefits in the same way that a bank does before making you a loan. Instead they foolishly rely on claimants’ honesty. I suppose to change this approach is what you mean by “benefit cleansing”. I would prefer to call it common sense and courtesy to the taxpayers who have no option but to trust them with their cash

[ummmm]

jno...I've been spelling his name wrong since I heard the news. I will google now but leave it for AOG to post :-)

[jake-the-peg]

Small beer!

http://www.thisislond...fraud-cases-frozen.do

[New Judge]

Well jake, when a nation runs ridiculously cumbersome financial systems such as VAT or the UK’s benefit system they are open to fraud. This makes neither of such types of misdemeanour right but they each have a common denominator – over complication which makes it very difficult for officials to keep track of everything and prevent misappropriation. Both also have rich pickings to be made.

If the UK had a simple Purchase Tax system instead of VAT there would be no need for the armies of scribes who check the books of companies paying tax to each other only to claim it back later. At least one avenue of dishonesty would be closed off and we would only have the Mr Al-Sulaitis of this world to worry about. Oh, but I forgot, VAT is a European Tax system, so even if we wanted to we could not replace it with something less cumbersome and ridiculous.