The latest WikiLeaks revelation

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/3anbkx4

To all those who thought that the Wikileaks revelations were a good thing, and the public should know everything, I now ask do you still think the same?

[ChuckFickens]

So a minority of Muslims support killing for religion.

Startling revelation

[Davethedog]

I would have thought that this revelation played right into your hands.

You must be delighted.

[China Doll]

I don't really see how me knowing this would have any effect really. As Chuck says, a minortiy of muslims support this, it's not entirely suprising. A bit like some people support the return of the death penalty. I don't really think it's news exactly.

[youngmafbog]

Like most other Wiki leaks, no exactly news to us is it?

I will be interested to heaar the views of the bleeding heart Muslim sumpathizers on this site though.

[sandyRoe]

What sort of questions were asked in the poll to get answers that seemed to support killing?

[AB Editor]

Good Afternoon,

I think this is the cable the Daily Mail is talking about: http://wikileaks.ch/c...09/01/09LONDON27.html

Maybe you'd like to read the original source?

[youngmafbog]

As for a minority, hmm, I would like call 40% a minority or even 30% really. If you remove the dont knows and the abstainers then the figures become a little different.

Dont stick your heads in the sand, this is the realitly of the tinderbox this country is - left to us by the great failed mixing pot experiment from new labour. Thanks Tony and Bottler

[sp1814]

I was entirely indifferent to the whole Wikileaks story, but am delighted that this piece has come out, because it's totally messed with the right wing press. If you check the Daily Mail website, and search for Wikileaks, you'll see a series of stories damning it's publication of sensitive data.

However, now...it seems that Wikileaks is providing a valuable service!!!

Lovely hypocrisy.

[AB Editor]

Here is the part of the cable which the DM is interested in:

-- According to a poll of 600 Muslim and 800 non-Muslim
students at thirty universities throughout the UK conducted
by the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC), as reported ref B,
32 percent of Muslims on UK campuses believe killing in the
name of religion is justified, 54 percent wanted a Muslim
Party to represent their world view in Parliament, and 40
percent want Muslims in the UK to be under Sharia law. Only
2 percent of non-Muslims felt killing in the name of religion
could be justified and none believed it was acceptable for
Muslims in the UK to have a religious-based party, or to be
under Sharia law. 73 percent of Muslim students are at least
occasional participants in Friday services while only 2
percent of non-Muslim students attend any religious service.
The poll results also found that 73 percent of Muslim
students believe it is possible to be both Muslim and British
and a similar number believe their parents are "much more or
somewhat more" strict Muslims than they are. In addition
only six percent believed that people who leave Islam for
another religion should be "punished according to Sharia law"
(killed).

[sp1814]

AB Editor

Spooky - I was just looking at that passage in order to do some sums

So, 32% of 600 people interviewed said that killing in the name if religion is justified.

That's 192 people.

Not convinced by the extrapolation.

[youngmafbog]

Stats are stats SP. We all know they can be maniplulated.

I'm sure you would be happy with them if a similar figure was being used to justify some lefty ideal though ?

[sp1814]

Youngmafbog

Of COURSE I'd be trumpeting stats if they concurred with my world view,

Everyone does that.

[AB Editor]

Also, have a look at this if you're interested in sources: www.socialcohesion.co.uk/files/1292336866_1.pdf



Some bullet points (page 30-31 in the pdf):

• Almost a third (32%) of Muslim students polled said killing in the name of religion was ever justified.
• A third (33%) of Muslim students polled declared they were supportive of a worldwide Islamic Caliphate based on Sharia law.
• Two fifths (40%) of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of Sharia law into British law for Muslims.
• Two thirds (66%) of Muslim students polled said they had lost respect for the British government because of the invasion of Iraq.
• Almost a third (30%) of Muslim students polled also said their respect for British society had increased based on the public’s (largely negative) reaction to the Iraq war.
• A quarter (25%) of Muslim students (and 32% of male Muslim students) polled said they had ‘not very much’ or ‘no respect at all’ for homosexuals.
• Almost a quarter (24%) of Muslim student respondents did not think that men and women are equal in the eyes of God.
• Two fifths (40%) of Muslim students polled felt it unacceptable for Muslim men and women to associate freely.
• 6% of Muslim students polled said that converts from Islam should be punished ‘in accordance with Sharia law.

[ChuckFickens]

A survey of 600 people out of 1.6million is hardly represenitive.

the vast majority of that 32% (28%) said killing in the name of religion was acceptable if attacked first.

But of course that doesn't make such a good headline for the mail to point that out.

[jackthehat]

These are percentages of 'students' who are generally more radical about their views on *anything*..............

[Davethedog]

"There are lies, damed lies and statistics"

Disraeli or Twain never did get a difinitive answer.

[jake-the-peg]

This is Brilliant!!!

The US office bundles up a load of dubious data from Muslim Watch UK and sends it back to Washington.

That cable is then hailed as a wikiLeak "Revelation".

One wonders if they publish a cables containing the front page of the Mail whether the Mail would run that as:

Wikileak revelation tells the Mail what it said!

[anotheoldgit]

ChuckFickens

/// A survey of 600 people out of 1.6million is hardly represenitive.///

The figure of 1.6million includes all ages and sexes.

This was a survey of 600 Muslim students at 30 universities throughout Britain, and obviously they can't survey every male Muslim of adult age.

And what about the frightening figures that 54 per cent wanted a Muslim party to represent their world view in Parliament and 40 per cent want Muslims in the UK to be under Sharia law?

[Gromit]

The Poll was never a secret, so its findings are not new at all.

The only new piece in the Wikileaks, is that we know an American Diplomats view of the results. Those views are not surprising either.

Bit of a non story I'm afraid, puffed up for Daily Mail reader consupmtion.

[Gromit]

The US Diplomats had obviously read the Daily Mail of 28 July 2008, because here is the original story

http://www.dailymail....table-kill-Islam.html

I haven' bothered looking, but I would not be surprised if AOG posted on the story that day.