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Is it reasonable to equate gay marriage to inter-species relationships?
This is something good old Melanie Philips alluded to in a recent article opposing gay marriages in the Daily Mail. Now Tory councillor James Malliff has taken up the cause:
http://www.guardian.c...ed-gay-marriage-tweet
Personally I don't get their point. Seems to be world of difference between walking down the aisle with someone of the same sex, to walking down the aisle with someone of a different species - for a start it would make the seating plan at thhe reception a nightmare.
Mental right wingers, or sensible conservatives (with a small 'c').
http://www.guardian.c...ed-gay-marriage-tweet
Personally I don't get their point. Seems to be world of difference between walking down the aisle with someone of the same sex, to walking down the aisle with someone of a different species - for a start it would make the seating plan at thhe reception a nightmare.
Mental right wingers, or sensible conservatives (with a small 'c').
Answers
I have not referred to the Councillor as a closet Nazi, i have said that it is only OK to hold those views if you are a closet Nazi - which does not implicate him directly.
I have no knowledge that the Councillor is a closet Nazi - but he certainly holds the views of one, which is not the same thing.
I am debating on a debate site as a private individual. The...
I have no knowledge that the Councillor is a closet Nazi - but he certainly holds the views of one, which is not the same thing.
I am debating on a debate site as a private individual. The...
14:43 Thu 13th Oct 2011
Its just an insult to the gay types, for some reason they take against gay people and are then allowed to insult them at will.
I find it strange this degree of insult and am with whoever it was, who stated that people who are so openly homophobic, are afraid of thier own sexuality, and fear that they are also gay. (Paraphrase obviously)
I find it strange this degree of insult and am with whoever it was, who stated that people who are so openly homophobic, are afraid of thier own sexuality, and fear that they are also gay. (Paraphrase obviously)
Is it reasonable?
Only if you are a closet Nazi - otherwise, no.
AOG - yes we do make comparisons not intended to be taken seriously - but we also have an in-built common-sense filter that stops us from making stupid crass insulting and homophobic comparisons - that is where the difference lies.
Trying to defend this odious man by hinting that maybe he didn't mean it is really heading down the same path of reasoning - I can say what I want, and if people are offended, than that's their fault.
Next you 'll be agreeing with people who 'believe in plain speaking', which they think gives them carte blanche to be offensive as and when they please.
A little thought and consideration goes a long way - especially in politics.
Only if you are a closet Nazi - otherwise, no.
AOG - yes we do make comparisons not intended to be taken seriously - but we also have an in-built common-sense filter that stops us from making stupid crass insulting and homophobic comparisons - that is where the difference lies.
Trying to defend this odious man by hinting that maybe he didn't mean it is really heading down the same path of reasoning - I can say what I want, and if people are offended, than that's their fault.
Next you 'll be agreeing with people who 'believe in plain speaking', which they think gives them carte blanche to be offensive as and when they please.
A little thought and consideration goes a long way - especially in politics.
em10
This wasn't a simple slip.
Malliff wrote: "There is no doubt the PM is wrong on this issue. We may as well legalise marriage with animals, crude I concede but no apology."
Another tweet on his feed read: "Great keynote address by David Cameron, not sure about legalising gay marriage though, what happened to sanctity of marriage #odd." The tweets have since been removed.
In a statement to the Press Association, Malliff admitted his comments were "ill-conceived and crude".
The point Mr Malliff was trying to make (he explained later) is that he was trying "to establish where we draw the line on these things".
This wasn't a simple slip.
Malliff wrote: "There is no doubt the PM is wrong on this issue. We may as well legalise marriage with animals, crude I concede but no apology."
Another tweet on his feed read: "Great keynote address by David Cameron, not sure about legalising gay marriage though, what happened to sanctity of marriage #odd." The tweets have since been removed.
In a statement to the Press Association, Malliff admitted his comments were "ill-conceived and crude".
The point Mr Malliff was trying to make (he explained later) is that he was trying "to establish where we draw the line on these things".
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Personally, I think that rather than forcing him to withdraw the statement, those that disagree or are offended by his remarks should have challenged him:
"Are you saying that a marriage between two loving people of the same sex is as bizarre as a marriage between a farmer and a Fresian, or a horticulturalist and a marrow?"
Better to challenge someone's world view in these situations. Now the chance is lost.
"Are you saying that a marriage between two loving people of the same sex is as bizarre as a marriage between a farmer and a Fresian, or a horticulturalist and a marrow?"
Better to challenge someone's world view in these situations. Now the chance is lost.
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em10
Hang on...he's opened A debate (well, not exactly - Melanie Philips said the same thing earlier this year) - so it should be okay to discuss it. Leaving aside what his party has done, and his apology, the idea is still out there, and if people really DO believe that gay marriage can be equated to bestiality, should we keep quiet and not question that position?
Hang on...he's opened A debate (well, not exactly - Melanie Philips said the same thing earlier this year) - so it should be okay to discuss it. Leaving aside what his party has done, and his apology, the idea is still out there, and if people really DO believe that gay marriage can be equated to bestiality, should we keep quiet and not question that position?
andy-hughes
/// Is it reasonable? Only if you are a closet Nazi - otherwise, no. ///
What on earth has that got to do with it?
Do you know for a fact that he is a 'closeted Nazi'?
If not then you especially should not be criticising him for his homophobic remarks, when you yourself are prepared to issue out much more serious accusations against him, or anyone else for that matter.
/// Is it reasonable? Only if you are a closet Nazi - otherwise, no. ///
What on earth has that got to do with it?
Do you know for a fact that he is a 'closeted Nazi'?
If not then you especially should not be criticising him for his homophobic remarks, when you yourself are prepared to issue out much more serious accusations against him, or anyone else for that matter.
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