What are we doing wrong?

[anotheoldgit]

France's Sarkozy kicked out two radical extremists within hours of an expulsion order, but Britain although getting permission to get rid of hate preacher Abu Hamza and others, they still have three months to appeal, all at the taxpayers expense.

And now we hear that only 40% of the foreign criminals who have been released from jail since 2006 have been removed from the UK, and at least 50 have disappeared completely.

What are we doing wrong?

[Seadragon]

I'm all for Sarkozy's method of kicking radicals out before any legal challenge can be mounted against these hate spreading preachers but I do fear the heavy consequences of retaliation of such actions. At least we kick out in line with the ECHR.

[Gromit]

They invoked emergency powers after the recent terrorist attack there.

We did the same after 7/7 and deported several people.

The recent cases are complicated because the undesirables are going to places where torture and capital punishment are rife, and as a civilised country, we shirk from sending people to that fate.

[andy-hughes]

They are Muslims.

Nuff said.

[rov1100]

If these extremists are residents of the country we wish to return them why should we get on our high horse and tell that country how to behave. They are citizens of that country and they should tackle them in their own way.

What may seem barbaric in the way they treat their own citizens was fully understood by these terrorists before they embarked on a reign of terror and should take the consequences.

[andy-hughes]

"What may seem barbaric ..." - you mean there's room for some other definition regarding inhumane treatment? Please run it by us ...

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

Has that damn needle of yours got stuck in that same old track again?

[Gromit]

In 2010 there were 39,030 foreign nationals removed from within the UK under immigration law—or departing under threat of such removal—an increase of 3% from 2009.

[jake-the-peg]

Firstly kicking out these people seems pretty stupid.

What do you think happens when they're kicked out? -do you think they vanish in a puff of smoke and are no longer a threat to anybody?

While they're here people like MI5 have the chance to track their movements and who and what they're doing.

Perhaps you'd rather they just vanish into the Middle East somewhere to get up to God alone knows what!

Seems very short sighted thinking to me - still what does it matter if it sells newspapers eh?

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

/// Perhaps you'd rather they just vanish into the Middle East somewhere to get up to God alone knows what! ///

Then perhaps you would rather them stay here "getting up to God alone knows what" it would seem?

Amazing, absolutely amazing.

[ludwig]

// Perhaps you'd rather they just vanish into the Middle East somewhere to get up to God alone knows what! //

Actually I would. Are we supposed to let all the horrible people of the world wander our streets (and pay for them to do so in most cases) just so we can keep an eye on them?

[jake-the-peg]

Yes it is amazing that you don't seem to get the point

You seem to think that expelling them reduces their threat

If you can't see something it can't hurt you?

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

/// While they're here people like MI5 have the chance to track their movements and who and what they're doing. ///

You mean like they did on the 7th July 2005?

[jake-the-peg]

No I mean like they did in
2006
2007
2008
2009
2011

Getting the point yet?

[lozzer50]

they are here we are paying for them through OUR taxes send them back and we arent ! it isnt rocket science and as for do gooders who say its their human right to be safe etc what about the people that have been killed , maimed etc at the hands of these fanatics.

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

/// If you can't see something it can't hurt you? ///

Must agree with you on that point.

I can't see that particular venomous spider crawling down that tree in far away Australia.

So knowing that, I am absolutely sure that, that particular spider providing it stays where it is, cannot possibly hurt me at all.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - Mr Pot- meet Mr Kettle!

[Gromit]

AOG

So Osama in his cave and compound was no more threat than a spider?

[Zeuhl]

Let me get that one straight...

the capabilities and potential for doing harm in an islamic terrorist are equivalent to a small, poisonous arachnid that lives in a tree

That's all right then - perhaps we should replace MI5 with some old ladies equipped with cans of Rid

Nonetheless, I'm hoping our security people are operating at a slightly higher level of intellect and insight than that.

[ludwig]

There's currently no shortage of murderous hate-filled scumbags out in the world - and at home - plotting to kill us.

The idea that chucking a couple more out of the country is going to make things suddenly more dangerous is a bit daft.

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

2007 January - February: The 2007 United Kingdom letter bombs

2007 30 June: 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack perpetrated by Islamist extremists.

2008 22 May: 22 May 2008 Exeter bombing by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.

Might as well relax then since it seems that nothing has taken place since 2008, so can you now tell us jake, that there will be no more further terrorist's actions taking place in the future?

If you can then I will begin to get the your point.