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The smokers are now well hammered, is it the turn of the drinkers?
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I really cant see how this works.
1) It clobbers the poor
2) The late teen, early twenty drinkers have plenty of excess income a few pence will make little difference. And most pubs/nightclubs are well above it anyway so it wont clear up the streets
3) People will start to make their own which will be stronger and unregulated. (so bang goes your health theory)
4) Smuggling back again ? - just as with fags.
5) And is a time of austerity a good time?
6) Why can't we use the laws we have at the moment. Sell to underage - loose licence, sell to drunks - loose licence. That is how to stop it.
I'm sure there are many more reasons. Cameron seems hell bent on p*ssing off the electorate, clearly he does not want to be re-elected, it is the nanny state more than labour these days, I'm sure he is a clone of Blair.
And most importantly, will the minumum price be applied in the commons bar?
I really cant see how this works.
1) It clobbers the poor
2) The late teen, early twenty drinkers have plenty of excess income a few pence will make little difference. And most pubs/nightclubs are well above it anyway so it wont clear up the streets
3) People will start to make their own which will be stronger and unregulated. (so bang goes your health theory)
4) Smuggling back again ? - just as with fags.
5) And is a time of austerity a good time?
6) Why can't we use the laws we have at the moment. Sell to underage - loose licence, sell to drunks - loose licence. That is how to stop it.
I'm sure there are many more reasons. Cameron seems hell bent on p*ssing off the electorate, clearly he does not want to be re-elected, it is the nanny state more than labour these days, I'm sure he is a clone of Blair.
And most importantly, will the minumum price be applied in the commons bar?
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.I can see both sides of the argument, but I am sceptical it would work. Most of the drunken behavoior they show on TV was from drinks buoght in pubs & clubs where the price will not change. On the fringes maybe a few of the very poor would be unable to buy DIY brush cleaner any more :-) but genrally speaking someone who gets regularly drunk does so to try to escape other problems in their life for a while, and are likely to prioritise getting alcohol, pay more for it and eat less or whatever.
Interesting to know on what basis the University of Sheffield deduces that numerous crimes would be prevented. Any clues?
Raising the price of a bottle to £40 and so on pro rata might, whilst simultaneously encouraging bootlegging and illicit stills, but the proposed increase is never going to deter those who enjoy getting drunk. Better to change the culture of drinking so that people don't regard drinking to excess as socially or personally desirable and to rigorously enforce existing laws.
Raising the price of a bottle to £40 and so on pro rata might, whilst simultaneously encouraging bootlegging and illicit stills, but the proposed increase is never going to deter those who enjoy getting drunk. Better to change the culture of drinking so that people don't regard drinking to excess as socially or personally desirable and to rigorously enforce existing laws.
Surely tax revenue is a fixed amount per litre so this won't make any money for the government. It'll simply allow supermarkets to make greater profits.
Scotland intends to go ahead with a 50p minimum price per unit in January. An example from the BBC website gives Tesco Value vodka (70cl) currently £8.72 (March 2012), increasing to £13.13. The supermarket will therefore be forced to accept an increase in profit of £4.41.
Scotland intends to go ahead with a 50p minimum price per unit in January. An example from the BBC website gives Tesco Value vodka (70cl) currently £8.72 (March 2012), increasing to £13.13. The supermarket will therefore be forced to accept an increase in profit of £4.41.
I find it hard to disagree with a lot of your logic
I notice government ministers citing city centre trouble to try and get the public on board - ignoring the fact that most of these have just kicked out of pubs and clubs where booze is - let's face it expensive and so will be unaffected.
The Minister gave it away on Radio 4 when he talked about 'respectable people'
This is about not being able to fix the real problem so tinkering at the edges so that you can say you're fixing the problem
It's all about buying time with disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
(But before I gett too high on my white horse I have to admit I don't have a good solution to the problem either - well not one that doesn't affect 'respectable people' too)
I notice government ministers citing city centre trouble to try and get the public on board - ignoring the fact that most of these have just kicked out of pubs and clubs where booze is - let's face it expensive and so will be unaffected.
The Minister gave it away on Radio 4 when he talked about 'respectable people'
This is about not being able to fix the real problem so tinkering at the edges so that you can say you're fixing the problem
It's all about buying time with disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
(But before I gett too high on my white horse I have to admit I don't have a good solution to the problem either - well not one that doesn't affect 'respectable people' too)
Indeed, annemollie. I had a home in France for decades and never once saw what we here see every weekend; young people en masse drunk in the streets, having gone out with that intention. Though a few years back the press there got obsessed with le binge drink, which they solemnly declared a menace imported from Anglo Saxon countries, this supposed fashion never caught on. And, some years ago, a study of alcohol-related illness and deaths showed that Greece had the lowest figure in Europe, yet wine and spirits there were cheap. It wasn't the price or availability which affected that. It was that Greeks drank every day but their culture was to drink primarily at mealtimes and not otherwise.
And a curious observation. In years of racing in Ireland, I never saw anyone drunk on a racecourse. But go to Aintree for the Grand National meeting, and there were many people who were drunk when they arrived, let alone in the course of the 3 days racing.
And a curious observation. In years of racing in Ireland, I never saw anyone drunk on a racecourse. But go to Aintree for the Grand National meeting, and there were many people who were drunk when they arrived, let alone in the course of the 3 days racing.
I thought that the idea was that it would discourage bulk-buying, which it surely will do. I've seen young folk in our local shop stacking up on cheap alcohol simply because of the price. If it's a bit pricier then maybe they'll buy less which can;t be a bad thing. It won't address binge drinking in pubs but I doubt if it is intended to.
Also, I thought that price-increase was not actually a tax, and therefore not a closet revenue-earner.
Also, I thought that price-increase was not actually a tax, and therefore not a closet revenue-earner.
And apparently it won't stop at the drinkers.
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