Did We Ever Know Differently?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326352/The-truth-Peter-Mandelson-admits-Labour-sent-search-parties-bring-migrants-losing-votes-working-class-writes-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN.html

/// Peter Mandelson, together with the ruthlessly ambitious young men and women who would subsequently form the nucleus of New Labour in the mid-Nineties, concluded that if they could no longer take the support of the white working class for granted, they would have to import a new working class from overseas. ///

/// Yet they have always denied that the mass immigration unleashed after Tony Blair’s 1997 landslide was a deliberate policy driven by naked political self-interest. ///

"Britain has always been a nation of immigrants".

And before we see that old chestnut rolled out yet again, read this;

/// The most outrageous Left-wing lie is that Britain has always been a ‘nation of immigrants’. This is arrant nonsense. Between the Norman Conquest in 1066 and 1950, immigration was virtually non-existent, save for a few thousand Jews and Huguenots fleeing persecution in Europe. ///

[jim360]

"The most outrageous left-wing lie is that Britain has always been a nation of immigrants. This is arrant nonsense. If we start counting only after all the huge amount of immigration that went on to start the country up, then there was virtually none in this country until 1950..."

That aside, if this is true then it is pretty disturbing.

[Zeuhl]

Littlejohn is an idiot
Perhaps he can explain all the Irish names in Liverpool, London and Glasgow?
Perhaps he can also explain the multiple nationalities who swelled our major cities in the 19th and 20th centuries; Italian, African, Chinese, Indians etc
Or indeed the Dutch who helped drain East Anglia

[jim360]

Counter to Littlejohn's point, is this University project:

http://www.englandsimmigrants.com/

As a percentage immigration has certainly increased tremendously recently, no doubt -- but to argue that it was non-existent prior to 1950 is "arrant nonsense".

[ummmm]

I was going to mention the Irish.

[Sharingan]

''Yet they have always denied that the mass immigration unleashed after Tony Blair’s 1997 landslide was a deliberate policy driven by naked political self-interest.''
That statement alone shows him up for the idiot he is- there had already been a landslide, so the people had already spoken, no need to import anybody. DUH.
Coupled with his absolutely untrue statement that we are not a nation of immigrants, it really makes you wonder who hired him, and how stupid they also must be.

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// As a percentage immigration has certainly increased tremendously recently, no doubt -- but to argue that it was non-existent prior to 1950 is "arrant nonsense". ///

Not "Non-Existent" prior to 1950, as you said, but "virtually non-existent" prior to the 50s, in comparison there is a difference.

[jim360]

Even "virtually" is an exaggeration, though.

[anotheoldgit]

Sharingan

Calling persons "Idiots" and "stupid" does nothing to support your argument and does you no favours also, especially coming from someone so young.

[Zeuhl]

I see

So pre 1950 all the blacks in Liverpool, Cardiff and London; all the Italians in Glasgow and London; all the Irish and Chinese everywhere


We're only 'virtually' here

It's funny how some people will swallow any old nonsense contrary to the evidence when it suits their existing presumptions
- and then have the 'chutzpah' (pardon the ore 1950 immigrant word) to try and weasel around it when challenged

[Zeuhl]

Aog

Sharingan had a reasoned argument for describing littlejohn and his paymasters so

And what has her age got to do with it?

Is it touching a nerve that a 15 year old can produce more intelligent, insightful and well constructed posts than you?

[emmie]

makes interesting reading. It's a little out of date, seeing as how some figures are quoted from a while back.

http://www.dayjob.com/content/ethnic-minorities-in-the-uk-207.htm

[FredPuli43]

Yes, well, aog, have you never used words such as idiot against people whose reasoning seems idiotic to you? Or have you merely thought so? Remind us what age you have, please, so we can judge how much much understanding of facts and arguments your extra years have brought.

[Quizmonster]

Quite, Fred; some people have sixty years' experience and others have just one year's experience sixty times.

[emmie]

well i go on my own experiences good and bad, i don't see anything wrong with that, and can see for myself the massive changes, particularly in the capital.

[Canary42]

///Is it touching a nerve that a 15 year old can produce more intelligent, insightful and well constructed posts than you?///

Not difficult

[sandyRoe]

After the landslide victory of '97 wouldn't Blair and Mandelson have thought they'd found a way of presenting New Labour that was attractive to the electorate?

[emmie]

so you think firstly Littlejohn is an idiot, and a liar, when he is in fact quoting one of Labour's top ranking people, none other than Peter Mandelson, so he is also a liar, to what purpose i wonder. Perhaps the reason this is coming out now is that Labour are losing many of their own white working class core voters, as mass immigration has seen many of their own jobs go west. Whilst that is not solely to blame, large amounts of new people who have come to Britain in the last few years have to be accommodated somehow, never mind the last fifty years. we are set to have more in next year, so if we keep on like this how will the services we need like schools, housing, medicine cope, when they effectively don't cope now. Have you tried to get a doctors, hospital appointment, or onto the housing ladder, to rent or buy, it's becoming ever more difficult.
We don't need more people, certainly not the ones who haven't a dinar to their names.

[mrs_overall]

Well said em

[Zeuhl]

Wrong end of stick again em. LOL

Never mind :-)

[Zeuhl]

Sorry em
Should explain

the littlejohn is an idiot remarks were related to his stupid assertion that immigration per 1950 was 'virtually non existent'