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Blair Says That The West Must Tackle Conflicts By Educating People About Religious Tolerance
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And I wonder how he thinks that this can be achieved?
And I wonder how he thinks that this can be achieved?
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.Well Blair and Duya are both Christians and they invaded two countries resulting in many hundreds of thousands of deaths, so they should get their own house in order before they start lecturing others.
Most of the conflicts now are down to regime change and kicking out dictators. Not a lot to do wirh religion except sectarianism in some places.
Most of the conflicts now are down to regime change and kicking out dictators. Not a lot to do wirh religion except sectarianism in some places.
As Basil Fawlty would say - "Can't we get you on Mastermind Tony? Specialist Subject The Bleedin' Obvious!"
Education would solve all the world's conflicts in a generation, but it starts with education of children, which costs money, and is not 'sexy' for voters, so it won't happen.
And this from a man who quoted his manifesto cornerstone as 'Education, education. education,' and then set about systematically destroying the country's education system as almost every government before and since has done, and continues to do.
Any more bright ideas Tone?
Education would solve all the world's conflicts in a generation, but it starts with education of children, which costs money, and is not 'sexy' for voters, so it won't happen.
And this from a man who quoted his manifesto cornerstone as 'Education, education. education,' and then set about systematically destroying the country's education system as almost every government before and since has done, and continues to do.
Any more bright ideas Tone?
In some respects he’s right, and I’m very pleased that someone has had the courage to address the reality. The turmoil emanating from the Muslim world that is impacting upon the rest is not about political ideology. However, he calls it a ‘perversion of faith’, but it isn’t a perversion – this is what these people fervently believe and the justification for their actions is to be found within their religious literature which is what controls every aspect of their lives. Education is, indeed, the answer – but it’s a futile suggestion. Fundamentalist Islam is a mind-set like no other; those who embrace such an ideology are not tolerant and they never will be – and the sooner the rest of the world acknowledges that and stops making excuses the better.
In the broad sense he is of course correct. But, as Gromit points out, perhaps not the best man to be lecturing.
And secondly it does rather show an ignorance of the extreme beliefs some hold and the lengths they will go to impose them on others, which in general is the problem not the mainstream believers.
And secondly it does rather show an ignorance of the extreme beliefs some hold and the lengths they will go to impose them on others, which in general is the problem not the mainstream believers.
I've no time for Tony Blair, but who said it is irrelevant. It needed saying. His apparent ignorance is exactly what’s wrong with the way most people view fundamentalist Islam. On the one hand he hits the nail on the head by putting the blame fairly and squarely where it lies – and on the other he thinks these people can be educated. They can’t. Only the willing can be educated.
// The turmoil emanating from the Muslim world that is impacting upon the rest is not about political ideology. //
But it is not religious ideology either. The west supported and in many cases kept in power despots, dictators and ultimate monarchs in the middle east. In many cases, those rulers inflicted terrible suffering on their peoples. The US and Britain have meddled for a century, so we should not be surprised the we are now the target of a backlash. We are not targeted because of our religion, we are targeted for our past and present deeds.
To imply that they are attacking us because they are not educated is laughable. Bush and Blair had the best education money can buy and they were dumb enough to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt and the rest are in turmoil because they are undergoing revolution. They have or are attempting to rid themselves of previous regimes and create a democratic process. But as a result, law and order has broken down, and fighters from other countries are trying to influence the process. Those wars are not religious either.
But it is not religious ideology either. The west supported and in many cases kept in power despots, dictators and ultimate monarchs in the middle east. In many cases, those rulers inflicted terrible suffering on their peoples. The US and Britain have meddled for a century, so we should not be surprised the we are now the target of a backlash. We are not targeted because of our religion, we are targeted for our past and present deeds.
To imply that they are attacking us because they are not educated is laughable. Bush and Blair had the best education money can buy and they were dumb enough to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt and the rest are in turmoil because they are undergoing revolution. They have or are attempting to rid themselves of previous regimes and create a democratic process. But as a result, law and order has broken down, and fighters from other countries are trying to influence the process. Those wars are not religious either.
Most of the conflicts in the middle east and north Africa are muslims fighting each other. Situations where we have made ourselves the invaders, such as Iraq and Afghanistan means we are targeted by people trying to repel us from those lands. The Arab Isreali conflict isn't really religious in origin either. That is down to stolen land and occupation.
I would broadly agree with the thesis that violence engendered by differing interpretations of religion is going to remain a significant feature of terrorism and armed conflicts around the globe, but I am less certain that I would agree with Mr. Blair and his faith foundation.
What would worry me is that, in his desire to promote religious tolerance, and respect for religious differences, we see the implementation of laws designed to shut down criticism of religion, using those twin arguments of "lack of respect" for someones religion, or even blasphemy.
We can see this played out in microcosm in this country, right now. Maajid Nawaz, the founder of the Quilliam Foundation, an institution set up to combat extremist religious ideology, recently tweeted a cartoon of "Jesus and Mo", the subject of the cartoon being Jesus and Mohammed greeting each other ( Hi and Hello speech bubbles). Mr.Nawaz also happens to be a prospective parliamentary candidate for the Lib Dems. An activist within the Lib Dems complained that this inoffensive cartoon was "blasphemous" and an insult to the prophet, and started an online petition calling for the deselection of Mr.Nawaz, which has gained at least 20,000 signatories.
Mr. Nawaz himself has received innumerable crude insults and several death threats over his actions in tweeting this inoffensive cartoon.
You can read about this here;
http:// archbis hop-cra nmer.bl ogspot. co.uk/2 014/01/ petitio n-to-de select- libdem- candida te.html
http:// www.ind ependen t.co.uk /news/u k/polit ics/nic k-clegg -attack s-death -threat s-again st-maaj id-nawa z--lib- dem-can didate- who-twe eted-a- cartoon -of-the -prophe t-moham med-and -jesus- greetin g-each- other-9 086469. html
And if you are concerned about free speech issues, and wish to show support for Mr. Nawaz in his actions and stand up to those wishing for greater censorship, you can sign a petition here;
https:/ /www.ch ange.or g/petit ions/ni ck-cleg g-give- full-su pport-t o-libde m-ppc-m aajid-n awaz-an d-take- discipl inary-a ction-a gainst- party-m ember-m ohammed -shafiq
What would worry me is that, in his desire to promote religious tolerance, and respect for religious differences, we see the implementation of laws designed to shut down criticism of religion, using those twin arguments of "lack of respect" for someones religion, or even blasphemy.
We can see this played out in microcosm in this country, right now. Maajid Nawaz, the founder of the Quilliam Foundation, an institution set up to combat extremist religious ideology, recently tweeted a cartoon of "Jesus and Mo", the subject of the cartoon being Jesus and Mohammed greeting each other ( Hi and Hello speech bubbles). Mr.Nawaz also happens to be a prospective parliamentary candidate for the Lib Dems. An activist within the Lib Dems complained that this inoffensive cartoon was "blasphemous" and an insult to the prophet, and started an online petition calling for the deselection of Mr.Nawaz, which has gained at least 20,000 signatories.
Mr. Nawaz himself has received innumerable crude insults and several death threats over his actions in tweeting this inoffensive cartoon.
You can read about this here;
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And if you are concerned about free speech issues, and wish to show support for Mr. Nawaz in his actions and stand up to those wishing for greater censorship, you can sign a petition here;
https:/
andy-hughes
/// Education would solve all the world's conflicts in a generation, but it starts with education of children, which costs money, and is not 'sexy' for voters, so it won't happen. ///
Why? have we stopped educating children Andy.
But to be more serious, yes it would be a good idea to educate our children on certain things but one has to be careful we don't turn it into indoctrination.
/// Education would solve all the world's conflicts in a generation, but it starts with education of children, which costs money, and is not 'sexy' for voters, so it won't happen. ///
Why? have we stopped educating children Andy.
But to be more serious, yes it would be a good idea to educate our children on certain things but one has to be careful we don't turn it into indoctrination.
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