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They Should Take A Lesson From The Italians...
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heres the main difference between immigrants then and now...they should be made to watch the relevant section...
Portillos Great British Train Journeys , up in Scotland.
Scottish Italian community there before the war..most males interned during war...
They started up loads of fish and chip shops...interviewing a guy in one of them and mention his non Italian surname...
repy, not verbatim " post war, we wanted to do whatever we could to integrate with the local community, so we changed our names to fit in"...
shame all the others immigrants and plenty that were born here and claim to be British dont do the same...integrate, adopt our culture, assimilate etc etc
Portillos Great British Train Journeys , up in Scotland.
Scottish Italian community there before the war..most males interned during war...
They started up loads of fish and chip shops...interviewing a guy in one of them and mention his non Italian surname...
repy, not verbatim " post war, we wanted to do whatever we could to integrate with the local community, so we changed our names to fit in"...
shame all the others immigrants and plenty that were born here and claim to be British dont do the same...integrate, adopt our culture, assimilate etc etc
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Lots of integrated people exist in the UK at present, but the whole point about integrating is to become the same as the rest. If you give out a message that says 'look at me, I'm all integrated' it removes your cloak of invisibility. So really, we don't know empirically how many people of foreign extraction live in the UK but have integrated.
That isn't to say that no problem exists regarding resisting integration. Certainly, in my little part of the country, there are numerous mainly Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities where integration is either consciously resisted or doesn't happen because of social practices.
I have noticed a shift over the 30+ years I've lived here, mainly with a huge rise in veiled women, and Muslim women who don't wear veils will (if they trust you as a friend) often relate how they are harrassed to distraction by men from their communities. This makes it harder to integrate, as being human you'd probably slap a scarf on just to get some peace.
Marrying someone from the subcontinent prolongs the existence of a non-English speaking mother or father, and that delays the integration of English as a first language into families.
Sadly - and I'll get shot down for saying it - in these communities in this area, many families don't see education as a priority, and at the same time the steady increase in extreme religious views has seen a retreat into opinions and learning being guided at mosque / madrassa level.
But taking a longer view.....Irish Catholics were frowned on for 'marrying out', for socialising beyond the parish community, or for questioning the parish priest's views. that's all changed now, so in the longer term, maybe the present difficulty will fade.
That isn't to say that no problem exists regarding resisting integration. Certainly, in my little part of the country, there are numerous mainly Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities where integration is either consciously resisted or doesn't happen because of social practices.
I have noticed a shift over the 30+ years I've lived here, mainly with a huge rise in veiled women, and Muslim women who don't wear veils will (if they trust you as a friend) often relate how they are harrassed to distraction by men from their communities. This makes it harder to integrate, as being human you'd probably slap a scarf on just to get some peace.
Marrying someone from the subcontinent prolongs the existence of a non-English speaking mother or father, and that delays the integration of English as a first language into families.
Sadly - and I'll get shot down for saying it - in these communities in this area, many families don't see education as a priority, and at the same time the steady increase in extreme religious views has seen a retreat into opinions and learning being guided at mosque / madrassa level.
But taking a longer view.....Irish Catholics were frowned on for 'marrying out', for socialising beyond the parish community, or for questioning the parish priest's views. that's all changed now, so in the longer term, maybe the present difficulty will fade.
Oh...you mean different faith parishes. Not just a different parish. Where we're from if you couldn't go to a different parish you'd have to marry your siblings or cousins :-)
My mum is protestant and the only thing she had to do was vow to bring up any children as Catholics.
And talking about integration, the Irish didn't integrate very well. They lived in the same area, worked for the same firms, drank in the same pubs, kids all went to school together....but as you said, it is better now. That simply has come down to money.
My mum is protestant and the only thing she had to do was vow to bring up any children as Catholics.
And talking about integration, the Irish didn't integrate very well. They lived in the same area, worked for the same firms, drank in the same pubs, kids all went to school together....but as you said, it is better now. That simply has come down to money.
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