Is The Idea Of The Historical Construct That Is The United Kingdom More Of A Hindrance Than A Help In Confronting The The Globally Changing Reality We Now Face?

[Colmc54]

England was overpopulated at the end of WW2 in terms of the cost of turning the UK into a socialist country. Since then the UK has been, with the advent of the the Welfare State, a socialist country with a mixed economy (part State part Private Sector)
Now England has become so distinctive in terms of it's human inundation that the continuation of the socialist experiment will without doubt bring the whole of the UK to the end of the post-war optimistic fantasy.

Now I think that the problems growing by the hour in England can only be solved by England leaving the Union. Our problems are not currently shared by the rest of the UK but that will not stay that way for long . In England the Malthusian dye has been cast . But there is still a chance for the others.

If England stands a chance our political decisions have to be made without a repugnant reaction from the rest of the UK.

That is why I believe the dissolution of the United Kingdom is now our only long-term survival option.

[Gavmacp]

England?

[Zacs-Master]

What makes you so sure our growth will outstrip resources? Would you care to give some examples which support your asserts tin that the dye(sp) is cast?

[Zacs-Master]

Assertions

[woofgang]

malthusian dye....what colour is that?

[jourdain2]

I think that you are falling into the trap of assuming that small geographical areas south of Scotland constitute England. London and the South-East are in themselves a powerful minority area, there are powerful pockets elsewhere - but there is a lot of England that remains England and I do not think it is yet unsalvageable. As ever, it is politics -but this time not representing the whole people. I have not yet given up hope. The time to stand up and be counted is coming, if there is the political will. A vote for Brexit would help. This is in my (sleepy) opinion. (I am half-Scottish, by the way.)

[Colmc54]

There are parts of England where the fabric of social cohesion are within a few strands of rupturing. Yet the SNP say Scotland needs immigration.

The English (SNP were adamant about that) Riots were a mere overture to the tragic opera that will follow.

Two countries bound by one political process wherein one can still influence the other who are yet increasingly facing almost an almost totally contradictory struggle for survival.

[EDDIE51]

This is looking like one of those 'nonsense' posts we get on here .
A jumble of words that mean nothing.
Can anyone explain what it is supposed to be about? especially the first sentence?

[Gavmacp]

Scotland doesn't need immigration, we need FREEDOM! Sorry I have been watching braveheart again!

[Gavmacp]

Autistic spectrum?

[sandyRoe]

But if England left the union how would Northern Ireland survive? It would be as though our alms bowl was smashed from our hand.
Scotland could probably manage well enough but Wales might be in the same boat as us.

[EDDIE51]

I still think this and the other post by Colmc54 are wind ups!
Both total botox!

[mikey4444]

Eddie...this looks like drivel to me.

[Marshwarble]

Just because you don't understand it, it doesn't mean it's drivel.

[mikey4444]

Marshwarble....it would help us all to understand this post if it made any sense at all. But like Edde, I think its nonsense.

[mikey4444]

Can anyone shed some light on what :::::

"Now England has become so distinctive in terms of it's human inundation that the continuation of the socialist experiment will without doubt bring the whole of the UK to the end of the post-war optimistic fantasy"

actually means please ?

[Old_Geezer]

I doubt any country is overpopulated after a war unless they were immensely overpopulated before their war, or have taken an influx of invaders.


The UK and thus England as a part of there UK is hardly socialist. It is somewhere in the middle with a clear right wing flavour for many decades now. Most of the good social conscience works were brought in ages ago and of late the emphasis has been on taking away power from the "common" people and capitulating to the large global merchants and their friends.

Any country leaving the union would be mistaken at best. The UK is small enough to be considered a single unit without massive compromise yet large enough to gain strength from the unity. This is not a right wing / left wing political issue. It is, or should be, common sense.

It has to be accepted that in a democracy not everyone is going to agree, and there is likely to be occasions where there are different regional viewpoints. But one should accept one can not always have everything one demands and that one has to go along with the majority, not use this discontent as an argument to split into smaller and smaller, and weaker and weaker areas.

That said citizens from each country in the union should be treated equally and whilst there are national tiers of government in all but one, this is an unacceptable situation. Dopey work-arounds are also unacceptable. But seceding from the union is no realistic answer.

[Colmc54]

O.G. seemed to understand me well enough to get the gist of what I was on about and once again delivered an excellent response to earn the Best Answer.
I am not optimistic enough to see a bright future for the UK. I am not alone in thinking that the cracks that have opened up can be plastered over for good, though like O.G. of course I hope so.
Autistic? Not quite, try a touch of Asperger and you'd be pretty close.