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Football Disgraces Itself Once Again
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The news reaches us that Doctor Eva Carneiro has been paid an advised £5million pounds to avoid her publicising the evidence she has against her former employer, Chelsea Football Club.
The club's laughable were it not so offensive, defence is to nit-pick about exactly which offensive term Manager Mourinho used against his colleagues - did her call her a 'daughter of a ***', which could be deemed sexist, or merely a 'son of a ***' - which appears to be offered as acceptable footballing parlance.
So a football club employs a QC at a four-figure-per-hour sum to defend its manager's use of offensive language to a colleague, with the breath-taking premise that the fine line between '***' and '***' was not crossed. Fine, no surprise there.
In common with modern football, the approach of the Neanderthal unreconstructed hierarchy at Chelsea's HQ was to hope the silly little woman would go back in the kitchen if they threw some money at her - heaven knows they have as much as that as have little morality, or simple adult courtesy and manners.
But hang on! What's going on! The girlie hasn't gone away, she's gone to court, and we have to show up and argue there, Oh No!!
But don't worry, we'll throw even more money at her to prevent the serious embarrassment of being exposed as serial misogynists and lousy individuals.
Of course, or ex-manager won't pay a penny, and we can't compel him to do what he should do simply as a mature adult, and apologise for his appalling behaviour - so he can trot off to his other multi-million pound job as another club manager, with his usual turd-in-his-y-fronts face on.
Football does not come out of this with any dignity whatsoever - and once again, the message to Premier League clubs and players is - if your behaviour is atrocious, throw some money, and it will go away.
Your thoughts? Media URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36472713
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The club's laughable were it not so offensive, defence is to nit-pick about exactly which offensive term Manager Mourinho used against his colleagues - did her call her a 'daughter of a ***', which could be deemed sexist, or merely a 'son of a ***' - which appears to be offered as acceptable footballing parlance.
So a football club employs a QC at a four-figure-per-hour sum to defend its manager's use of offensive language to a colleague, with the breath-taking premise that the fine line between '***' and '***' was not crossed. Fine, no surprise there.
In common with modern football, the approach of the Neanderthal unreconstructed hierarchy at Chelsea's HQ was to hope the silly little woman would go back in the kitchen if they threw some money at her - heaven knows they have as much as that as have little morality, or simple adult courtesy and manners.
But hang on! What's going on! The girlie hasn't gone away, she's gone to court, and we have to show up and argue there, Oh No!!
But don't worry, we'll throw even more money at her to prevent the serious embarrassment of being exposed as serial misogynists and lousy individuals.
Of course, or ex-manager won't pay a penny, and we can't compel him to do what he should do simply as a mature adult, and apologise for his appalling behaviour - so he can trot off to his other multi-million pound job as another club manager, with his usual turd-in-his-y-fronts face on.
Football does not come out of this with any dignity whatsoever - and once again, the message to Premier League clubs and players is - if your behaviour is atrocious, throw some money, and it will go away.
Your thoughts? Media URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36472713
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that will never happen andy. i mean, what do they have to do to be universally condemned - rape someone? nope, judging by the support on here and elsewhere for ched evans. paedophilia? nope, ditto adam johnson. kill someone? nope, ditto lee hughes and luke mcCormick.
10:15 Wed 08th Jun 2016
douglas - //What can possibly have attracted you to this story? :-P //
What attracted me was the appalling circumstances highlighted a day or so ago about a young footballer who equated his time in prison for killing people with his car to having time off injured.
My post then confirmed that the culture of football encourages its members to believe that normal rules of adult civilised behaviour simply do not apply to them - because they are too rich, famous, and talented to be bothered by having to behave like the grown men they are.
This circumstance deeply underscores my viewpoint - because once again, rich men have behaved appallingly, and paid out millions of pounds which they will not miss -primarily because it is not their money.
The most essential dignity-restoring requirement from their ex-manager - to show some manners and courtesy and apologise - was free of charge, but he still could not muster the strength of character to deliver it.
This is the calibre of man who is managing a major premier league team in this country.
Role models? It's enough to make you weep.
What attracted me was the appalling circumstances highlighted a day or so ago about a young footballer who equated his time in prison for killing people with his car to having time off injured.
My post then confirmed that the culture of football encourages its members to believe that normal rules of adult civilised behaviour simply do not apply to them - because they are too rich, famous, and talented to be bothered by having to behave like the grown men they are.
This circumstance deeply underscores my viewpoint - because once again, rich men have behaved appallingly, and paid out millions of pounds which they will not miss -primarily because it is not their money.
The most essential dignity-restoring requirement from their ex-manager - to show some manners and courtesy and apologise - was free of charge, but he still could not muster the strength of character to deliver it.
This is the calibre of man who is managing a major premier league team in this country.
Role models? It's enough to make you weep.
maybe Mikey - and maybe because in the "beautifil game" money is god. for the premier league manager the holy grail is the champions league because of the prize money and more importantly the tv rights money. by the end of 2015 it was clear mourinho had already failed and he was sacked. if he fails to get man united into the champions league, the same will happen.
I believe the club showed their hand in reportedly offering her £1M not to take the case to court. She knew she would get even more and good luck to her. They can certainly afford it. As for players and managers being considered as role models? Well, imho, these days it is only the media who hold them in such esteem as to consider them worthy of that description. Stan Matthews may have been a role model, Stan Collymore certainly wasn't.
Ken - //As for players and managers being considered as role models? Well, imho, these days it is only the media who hold them in such esteem as to consider them worthy of that description. Stan Matthews may have been a role model, Stan Collymore certainly wasn't. //
I would entirely agree.
Personally, I don't hold any truck with the notion of famous people - sports stars, rock stars, whatever, being 'role models', I believe it is a fatuous media construct.
That said, there is nothing wrong with senior figures in sport offering some guidance in expected behaviour from young players (just the usual - act your age, be grateful for your gifts, try and be nice, don't be a numpty ... that sort of thing) - but given that most of them have grown up in this appalling selfish immoral culture, the entire edifice encourages graduation from young appallingly behaved player to older appallingly behaved manager.
I would entirely agree.
Personally, I don't hold any truck with the notion of famous people - sports stars, rock stars, whatever, being 'role models', I believe it is a fatuous media construct.
That said, there is nothing wrong with senior figures in sport offering some guidance in expected behaviour from young players (just the usual - act your age, be grateful for your gifts, try and be nice, don't be a numpty ... that sort of thing) - but given that most of them have grown up in this appalling selfish immoral culture, the entire edifice encourages graduation from young appallingly behaved player to older appallingly behaved manager.
mushroom - //that will never happen andy. i mean, what do they have to do to be universally condemned - rape someone? nope, judging by the support on here and elsewhere for ched evans. paedophilia? nope, ditto adam johnson. kill someone? nope, ditto lee hughes and luke mcCormick. //
Well summarised.
I have to agree that the stubborn defence of indefensible individuals, and their indefensible behaviour was a revelation on this site in months gone by.
Well summarised.
I have to agree that the stubborn defence of indefensible individuals, and their indefensible behaviour was a revelation on this site in months gone by.
I loved it when Jurgen Klopp arrived at Liverpool and announced, "I am the normal one!" That certianly was a breath of fresh air to waft away the 'smell' of Mourinho's declaration on his arrival at Chelsea.
It will be of no real financial concern to anyone at Chelsea - or Manchester United now - of course, but the more millions Dr Carneiro managed to extract the better, I'd say.
The only "special" thing about Mourinho in this matter was his boorish pusillanimity in failing to offer the lady an abject apology.
It will be of no real financial concern to anyone at Chelsea - or Manchester United now - of course, but the more millions Dr Carneiro managed to extract the better, I'd say.
The only "special" thing about Mourinho in this matter was his boorish pusillanimity in failing to offer the lady an abject apology.
As usual QM, I am in complete agreement.
I am intrigued to know what Mourinho is like 'back stage' in order to achieve his undisputed success - even if not his insufferable egotism - it cannot be within a country mile of the dour face and wilful rudeness that is his default public persona ... but then, I know nothing about football, so maybe he is exactly the same!!
I am intrigued to know what Mourinho is like 'back stage' in order to achieve his undisputed success - even if not his insufferable egotism - it cannot be within a country mile of the dour face and wilful rudeness that is his default public persona ... but then, I know nothing about football, so maybe he is exactly the same!!
dave50 - //Anyone can call me any names they want if it means I get a million quid at the end of it. Ridiculous amount for a bit of name calling. //
Leaving aside the simple absence of respect and courtesy in Mourinho's behaviour - this was not about 'a bit of name calling'.
It was about the traducement of a professional employee's reputation in the full glare of the media, backed by his employer's appalling attitude towards her, that a payoff would make her go away and shut up.
Quite rightly, the doctor demanded her day in court, and Chelsea compounded its imorfality by being forced to cough up a far bigger sum of money for her silence, and offer a grovelling, and doubtless insincere, apology.
Mourinho, typically, refused to apologise and simply walked away from the whole sorry affair, no doubt backed to the hilt by those inside and outside football who see nothing wrong with his behaviour and subsequent arrogant indifference.
Mourhino behaves this way because no-one ever tells him he can't. His skills as a manager render him outwith the common rules of courtesy, and his erstwhile employers are stung financially and morally by his behaviour, and deserve everything they got, or lost.
He is very much 'The Special One' - but that is not because he is a wonderful - or even adequate, human being.
Leaving aside the simple absence of respect and courtesy in Mourinho's behaviour - this was not about 'a bit of name calling'.
It was about the traducement of a professional employee's reputation in the full glare of the media, backed by his employer's appalling attitude towards her, that a payoff would make her go away and shut up.
Quite rightly, the doctor demanded her day in court, and Chelsea compounded its imorfality by being forced to cough up a far bigger sum of money for her silence, and offer a grovelling, and doubtless insincere, apology.
Mourinho, typically, refused to apologise and simply walked away from the whole sorry affair, no doubt backed to the hilt by those inside and outside football who see nothing wrong with his behaviour and subsequent arrogant indifference.
Mourhino behaves this way because no-one ever tells him he can't. His skills as a manager render him outwith the common rules of courtesy, and his erstwhile employers are stung financially and morally by his behaviour, and deserve everything they got, or lost.
He is very much 'The Special One' - but that is not because he is a wonderful - or even adequate, human being.
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