Could British Compassion Lead To Cultural Suicide?

[anotheoldgit]

I know many ABer's thoughts regarding Katie Hopkins, but please before condemning her, read the whole of her article, and then state your views, I think you might have a different view towards her, if not as a person, but on this subject.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3782997/The-night-lonely-boy-frightened-mother-taught-place-called-Jungle-British-compassion-equal-cultural-suicide.html

[ummmm]

My opinion of her hasn't changed after reading that article.

[jackthehat]

It is a knotty problem, that's true.....
I am sure that however this situation is ultimately resolved it will be an unsatisfactory resolution for many.

[RATTER15]

Every vile person can have a human side as well.

[THEMOTLEY1]

Agree wholeheartedly with the two quotes I've extracted.
[[Moving the camp will not solve the problem. Nor importing the problem to Britain]].
[[I never once feared for myself. But for my country, I am very afraid indeed]].

[Zacs-Master]

I don't read that as being any different to other KH articles. Still the same shyt-stiring stance this time using a very sad story as a strange counterpoint. She seems to be arguing with herself, or her conscience. Oh....my mistake....she doesn't have one does she?

[agchristie]

I read the article and will my opinion of her hasn't changed.I still find her very distasteful though my own view of her is of little consequence.

I suppose it boils down to whether you believe that the UK can handle the migrant issue in a controlled and sensitive manner and that integration is possible or that British culture itself will implode in the Doomsday scenario.

As I mentioned on another thread Douglas Murray has it about right.You cannot expect to land a proportion of migrants from Eritrea or wherever and place them in Acton and expect them to integrate.It has happened too fast.

Being compassionate is an honourable trait but realism has to take over.The scars run so deep with many of the Jungle inhabitants that there is an enormous amount of work that needs to be done with them.

You can lead the horse to water springs to mind.

The UK,thankfully,have not adopted the stance of Merkel for example and the placement of the people needs careful attention.It is not right that the majority have been placed in the north-west and north-east.There is a clear geographical imbalance.

We have seen in some countries that these people have not integrated because of the weather,food or met with apathy.There are so many variables.

Is British Culture under threat? I think at the very least one should be concerned.There are plenty of lessons to be learnt from elsewhere.

A long,difficult road awaits.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// I don't read that as being any different to other KH articles. Still the same shyt-stiring
stance ///

Please explain what shyt-stiring stance she is making?

[Zacs-Master]

I thought it was obvious but I'll indulge you.

She paints a horrific story of life in a jungle but then goes on to say if we show compassion and accept them it will be cultural suicide.

[mushroom25]

//It is not right that the majority have been placed in the north-west and north-east.There is a clear geographical imbalance. //

it won't last, if the experience of other european nations is followed. in norway, migrants have been placed in many communities and larger towns. but as soon as they can afford it, they clear off to oslo where the majority of "their community" have made their home.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// My opinion of her hasn't changed after reading that article. ///

And of course I didn't expect it to, that is why I put this:

*** if not as a person, but on this subject. ***

[Zacs-Master]

How can your opinion of someone change when they're expressing a view on an emotive subject which shows them to be using the same old technique of adopting a polar standpoint simply to be controversial?

It's classic Hopikins.

[THEMOTLEY1]

Hasn't changed my opinion one iota, she might not say what everyone wants to hear, but what she does say is generally correct.
I will be doing yet another week in France from next Tuesday, in my opinion she has a pretty good understanding of what goes on there.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// I thought it was obvious but I'll indulge
you. ///

Thank you oh mighty one for taking the time to indulge a simple mortal such as I.

/// She paints a horrific story of life in a jungle but then goes on to say if we show compassion and accept them it will be cultural suicide. ///

So in your wisdom, you have come to the conclusion that if we were to open our gates to everyone throughout the World and for them to come and settle in this country, it would not be cultural suicide, for those who hold our culture and well being dear?

Obviously simply by your views, would I be correct, not include you amongst those patriots.

[agchristie]

> I will be doing yet another week in France from next Tuesday, in my opinion she has a pretty good understanding of what goes on there

Is she an expert on France as a whole or just in and around the Jungle?

[cassa333]

I don't like Katie Hpkins... Bla bla bla bla. She is vile and anything she says is vile bla bla bla even vile people can have a human side bla bla bla.

How many high horses are there on this forum? Plenty by the stuff I read (and say myself sometimes). Her opinions are said to evoke debate, to make you think. She is marmite and if I dare say it a bit of a Ferage and Trump. Not particularly PC but eventually people realise they may just have a better handle on public consciousness than liberal leftistism will force you to believe.

In this instance I think she is right. Individual stories are heartbreaking and there must be a shaft of steel running through the veins to totally ignore them. But the UK cannot and should not be the final solution. There are many aspects that can be improved throughout (the world) that help these people.

I also Say that these people come from a climate of fear, hardship, danger and also intolerance. They are just as intolerant as any person from any other nation. Perhaps more so because of what is happening in their nation states. We like the rest of the world will be importing those prejudices wholesale.

We are losing our national identity. They are bringing with them a very firm national identity with them and the two are not compatible. When they resettle how long will it be before they get their own local ability to met out justice or get away with something no one else would because everyone is too frightened to stop them?

I don't know what the solution is but opening the floodgates and drowning the land is not the answer.

[anotheoldgit]

agchristie

/// Is she an expert on France as a whole or just in and around the Jungle? ///

Well since she is reporting from this particular area of France that being the 'Calais Jungle', I think she has more knowledge on that particular subject than any of us on AB.

[THEMOTLEY1]

[[Is she an expert on France as a whole or just in and around the Jungle?]] Never met her, so don't know about her expertise on France as a hole, but what she writes about the Jungle and it's occupants seems pretty accurate.

[Zacs-Master]

OMG AOG, you've done the classic 'because you dislike the person saying the words, therefore you must be in favour of what she's arguing against'. It doesn't follow and your (and others) inability to perceive this kill debate on here.

Just to further clarify, I don't want hordes of illegal immigrants anymore than you do. This doesn't stop me from being able to see that KH is trying to enrage the average DM reader with her illogical piece.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// Just to further clarify, I don't want hordes of illegal immigrants anymore than you do. This doesn't stop me from being able to see that KH is trying to enrage the average DM reader with her illogical piece. ///

Well it is time someone 'enraged' the sleeping Lion, because if persons such as you would just like to stifle legitimate debate on what is really taking place all around us, just because it upsets their own agenda, we might all accept that things are all Hunky-dory, while our country and it's culture is totally destroyed, for our future generations.