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Differential Justice
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Irritatingly, this excellently argued article is inside The Times paywall - it's well worth registering to read it though.
A couple of extracts :
"The Equal Treatment Bench Book has a section on Gender Equality which might be more appropriately titled Gender Special Treatment. It quotes Baroness Hale of Richmond, now the president of the Supreme Court, who argued that “a male-ordered world has applied to [women] its perceptions of the appropriate treatment for male offenders” and said: “The criminal justice system could . . . ask itself whether it is indeed unjust to women.” It also suggests that those sentencing must be “made aware of the differential impact sentencing decisions have on women and men”. All of which implies that if a man and woman have committed the same crime, the woman should be treated with more “understanding” and leniency. Her sex is a mitigating factor in itself."
"It is no surprise, therefore, that according to the criminal justice figures from 2015, men were almost twice as likely to be put into immediate custody for an indictable offence as women. Under similar criminal circumstances, men were 88 per cent more likely to be sent to prison. For vehicle-related theft as a first offence, men were three times more likely to be imprisoned. For violence against the person, again as a first offence, it was almost three times as likely. Across the categories men were much more likely to do time for a first offence."
This is just wrong - patently we are not all "equal before the law" - why should women be spared punishment purely because of their sex?
Irritatingly, this excellently argued article is inside The Times paywall - it's well worth registering to read it though.
A couple of extracts :
"The Equal Treatment Bench Book has a section on Gender Equality which might be more appropriately titled Gender Special Treatment. It quotes Baroness Hale of Richmond, now the president of the Supreme Court, who argued that “a male-ordered world has applied to [women] its perceptions of the appropriate treatment for male offenders” and said: “The criminal justice system could . . . ask itself whether it is indeed unjust to women.” It also suggests that those sentencing must be “made aware of the differential impact sentencing decisions have on women and men”. All of which implies that if a man and woman have committed the same crime, the woman should be treated with more “understanding” and leniency. Her sex is a mitigating factor in itself."
"It is no surprise, therefore, that according to the criminal justice figures from 2015, men were almost twice as likely to be put into immediate custody for an indictable offence as women. Under similar criminal circumstances, men were 88 per cent more likely to be sent to prison. For vehicle-related theft as a first offence, men were three times more likely to be imprisoned. For violence against the person, again as a first offence, it was almost three times as likely. Across the categories men were much more likely to do time for a first offence."
This is just wrong - patently we are not all "equal before the law" - why should women be spared punishment purely because of their sex?
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The Times seem to be rather slow in catching up with the Daily Mail.
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women can't expect to be treated any different than men, aren't they always crying out for equality
women currently earn about 14% less than men, so I can't see any problem with them being sent to prison 12% less often.
Why are people so eager to see them getting an equal amount of bad things, but not bothered that they get less of the good things?
women currently earn about 14% less than men, so I can't see any problem with them being sent to prison 12% less often.
Why are people so eager to see them getting an equal amount of bad things, but not bothered that they get less of the good things?
it's not the abillity to breed that matters, it's who actually uses their time to raise the children.
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"how many threads have you started about the need for equal pay? "
None that I can remember - although I'm sure I've commented in favour on other people's threads - possibly because my personal experience in both British Gas and the NHS was that women in my specialist areas were paid (at least) as well as men, had similar career opportunities and were not disadvantaged by maternity. So it's not a hobbyhorse for me.
But I fail to see why my posting (or not) on one subject invalidates my post/opinion on another - except as a useful smokescreen in lieu of any decent argument.
None that I can remember - although I'm sure I've commented in favour on other people's threads - possibly because my personal experience in both British Gas and the NHS was that women in my specialist areas were paid (at least) as well as men, had similar career opportunities and were not disadvantaged by maternity. So it's not a hobbyhorse for me.
But I fail to see why my posting (or not) on one subject invalidates my post/opinion on another - except as a useful smokescreen in lieu of any decent argument.
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