Will This Work?

[youngmafbog]

"Dick announces new 120-strong task force that will use 'Al Capone' tactics to go after gangs"

Part of her problem is that even if her officers nick them the lefty liberal justice system will give them a smack on the wrist, tell them not to do it again and then show them the door.

I'm glad Ms Dick is taking action from the Police side but who is going to knock some sense into the judiciary and perhaps more pertinent who is going to build more badly needed jails?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5582015/Scotland-Yard-chief-Cressida-Dick-vows-gangs-Al-Capone-tactics.html

[ChillDoubt]

Will this be in an ‘Untouchables’ style of operation, “they put one of yours in the hospital you put one of theirs in the morgue” type of thing?

I do hope so!

[fiction-factory]

> the lefty liberal justice system will give them a smack on the wrist, tell them not to do it again and then show them the door....who is going to knock some sense into the judiciary
All those years of training and they aren't applying the law correctly then?.

[anotheoldgit]

Just what we need, an Eliot Ness.

[fiction-factory]

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/
You can try to influence the views of the sentencing council here. I think there may be a consultation process (of sorts).
I wish Cressida Dick luck and hope that the task force won't take too many resources away from other operations. There is a case now for increasing police resources. I agree we need more prison places too.

[Khandro]

//Just what we need, an Eliot Ness.//

Or better still, Dirty Harry, "Make my day punk"

[Flonska]

Not sure of the current state of play but there might be some prisons available in Holland, we could barter for the use of?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-prisons-are-closing-because-the-country-is-so-safe-a7765521.html

[Spicerack]

Or they're even dafter than we are.
Didn't bother reading the Independent article. There's a reason it's a failed newspaper.

[fender62]

soft justice, over crowded prisons full of foreigners, deport them and make room for our own imported legal citizens ? or deport them and their families, that i think would send a message... lots of snitches would suddenly appear i bet.

[sandyRoe]

I don't think it will.
The police have already arrested two men for last night's stabbing in Hackney. The fact that most fatal stabbings result in convictions and long prison sentences doesn't seem to deter these young criminals.

[andres]

It won't make the slightest bit of difference at all. The damage has already been done. Gang culture has been rising for years and nothing has been done . Just like everything else in this country it will be a case of 'too little too late'.Things will get much worse before they start to get better.

[fender62]

im waiting for the government say lessons have been learnt mmm
just love that old chestnut.

[fender62]

i guess its a feel good phrase, like they want us to think, government scientists are doing double shifts to solve the problem, because WE CARE.

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Sandy
While I agree with your sentiments, I feel that the sentences are never long enough. You take a life then you will be given life ( a minimum of 30 years) - without parole. I know there aren't enough prison places for them all, then make them live 4 to a cell - make prison what it's supposed to be - a deterrent.
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[gulliver1]

Gosh, when I read the first two words of this post I thought it was about Boris Johnson.

[Spungle]

I agree so very much with you youngmafbog- the justice system in this country wasn't great before we joined the EU but it was so much worse afterwards. The injustices, ie people serving only a few years for murder and ridiculously light sentences ie it's a given you'll only serve a fraction of whatever is handed down to you, coupled with the money spent on things like TV's and suchlike in prisons, at the same time as the original victims and their families having to go to incredible lengths to get any sort of justice, makes a total mockery of us as a country. We claim to be civilized but the justice system is MASSIVELY weighted in favour of the perpetrator and against the victim. I admire the police and the amazing people who work in this system, but the system itself stinks. Politicians, and in particular, the EU politicians and the European Courts of Human Rights act has a lot to answer for. As Jamie Bulger's dad rightly said "They sacrificed their humans rights when they battered, tortured and murdered my son". Yet one of them got £ 260k in legal aid! There is no such thing as British justice any longer.

[anotheoldgit]

fender62

/// deport them and their families, ///

Better still reintroduce National Service and see them all disappear back to the rat holes most of them came from.

[Spungle]

The problem with that, AOG, is that they have to be on the books in the first place- so all the illegal immigrants would get exemption from square bashing? Shame, because a lot of them are clearly talented in causing death and destruction.

[Khandro]

When stoned on crystal meths and/or a cocktail of drugs I don't think the prospect of going to prison is looming large on the minds of these low IQ losers.
Some form of compulsory national service for all young people would be of benefit, but no government dare even suggest it.
Also, if you kill someone in Saudi Arabia the penalty is public execution, which is maybe why the murder rate is so low, this coupled with no alcohol or drugs.

[youngmafbog]

//All those years of training and they aren't applying the law correctly then?.//

Nothing at all to do with that. Firstly sentencing guidelines have been watered down to ridiculous levels and secondly they are guidelines but time and time again we see the lighter end of the sentence guide given not the maximum.

As I recall the argument for stopping capital punishment was that life meant life, not 6 or 7 years.

Whilst the threat of jail may not be a deterrent a long sentence certainly removes them from the streets. I strongly suspect that if the UK got tough then it would become a deterrent though at present many feral youths operate with impunity.

That is very wrong in any society.

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Youngmafbog
Your reply at 1307 says it all.
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