Ex-Mi6 And Defence Chiefs Warn Tory Mps To Vote Down Brexit Deal That 'threatens National Security'

[naomi24]

//The explosive move will infuriate the prime minister and her allies, delight Brexiteers and dismay Remainers.//

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-mays-brexit-deal-threatens-national-security-ex-mi6-chief-sir-richard-dearlove-warns-11603738

Mrs May is struggling desperately already with her 'deal' that no one wants. What hope now?

[vetuste_ennemi]

A letter signed jointly by Mervyn King(!) and Sir Richard Dearlove contradicting the economic concerns raised by Davos puppet Mark Carney and security fears rising from our losing access to EU databases etc was written weeks ago. It was all over the news, BBC, ITV, Sky, News Night, Sunday Politics. Everyman and his dog was talking about it.

How come you missed it?

[naomi24]

I know security fears have been bandied about but I can't think how I missed that amount of publicity. It's today's news on Sky.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Today, Naomi? I found out about the King and Dearlove missive some weeks ago, I'm sure.

And wondered (just for a nanosecond) why an opinion from two such "experts" which contradicted the received wisdom wasn't the big news you might expect it to be.

Yes, just for a nanosecond.

[naomi24]

Yes, today. Check the link I gave. It says they wrote to her in November, but I presume today's news is that, since the vote is imminent, they've warned MPs not to go along with it.

[Togo]

//And wondered (just for a nanosecond) why an opinion from two such "experts" which contradicted the received wisdom wasn't the big news you might expect it to be.

Yes, just for a nanosecond.//

Like why wasn't it on the Beep Beep See main nerws 24/7 with reporters outside MI6 hq ramping it up?



""As a former Chief of the Intelligence Service, with my colleague Lord Guthrie, who served as chief of the Defence Staff shortly before I was in charge of MI6, we are taking the unprecedented step of writing to all Conservative Party chairmen to advise and to warn you that this Withdrawal Agreement, if not defeated, will threaten the national security of the country In fundamental ways.
"Please ensure that your MP does not vote for this bad agreement."
Explaining why they oppose the new relationship with the EU in the agreement, they write: "Buried in this Agreement is the offer of a 'new, deep and special relationship' with the EU in defence, security and intelligence which cuts across the three fundamentals of our national security policy: membership of NATO, our close bilateral defence and intelligence relationship with the USA and the Five Eyes intelligence alliance."
The Five Eyes Alliance is a group of Western intelligence sharing nations made up of the UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Intelligence gathered by one of these countries is shared with all the others.""

[naomi24]

Togo, I haven't seen mention of it on the BBC today. What a surprise.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I can't remember where I heard about last November's(!) letter, but I know which news sources I didn't hear it from.

[Togo]

Just been doing some digging and it appears that this info has only hit the fan today after the "hooded" warning made in November. It is all over the alternative news suppliers on the webby watsit at the mo.
The main argument, I have so far seen, against the premise comes from Labour Stephen Doughty MP, a member of the Home Affairs Committee and supporter of the People's Vote campaign, who bemoans the fact that Germany may refuse to extradite terrorist and serious crime suspects back to the UK if we go solo. Result I say..... they can keep them.

[Peter Pedant]

october

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-s-negotiator-olly-robbins-faces-renewed-attack-from-sir-richard-dearlove-former-mi6-chief-qc0889tj7

clearly he has not changed his mind

[douglas9401]

I thought we'd done tinfoil to death earlier, hats and all.

[youngmafbog]

Interesting to see no remoaners on this thread.

Doesnt push the narrative I suppose.

[dannyk13]

In the house of commons this morning their views were called rubbish by the head of British security.

[steg]

If it’s a such a threat he should be warning all mp’s not just Tory’s and supplying the evidence to them.

[New Judge]

“Liberal Democrat MP Tom Brake MP said: "It's astonishing that someone of Sir Richard Dearlove's experience can make the case that cutting our ties with the EU would enhance security cooperation. It clearly wouldn't.”

Mr Brake should read what Sir Richard was actually commenting on rather than simply take a stab in the dark to further his party’s anti-Brexit agenda.

Sir Richard’s comments were aimed at the situation in which the UK would find itself should Mrs May’s deal be agreed. Buried within that deal are passages that jeopardise the UK’s current arrangements with organisations outside the EU. The EU holds NATO and the USA largely in contempt (the feeling is mutual) and would like nothing better than to see Europe’s strongest player in the intelligence and security world cut its ties outside Europe and embrace European idealism. It has used the opportunity presented by the deal to see that aim secured. Sir Richard did not say that cutting our ties with the EU would enhance security co-operation but suggested that the new relationship proposed under the deal would certainly undermine it where it exists outside Europe.

“If it’s a such a threat he should be warning all mp’s not just Tory’s”

He doesn’t need to warn MPs from other parties, steg. They are expected by and large (for various reasons) to oppose the deal anyway.