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Mp Dawn Butler Pulled Over By The Police In Hackney
The police gave the reason for the stop that the vehicle was registered in North Yorkshire.
Do the police stop any vehicle not registered within a certain distance of their location, this ranks alongside ‘the dog ate my homework’.
The police claimed this (believing that the vehicle was registered in N. Yorkshire) was as a result of an error in entering the vehicle registration into the search.
Ms Butler quite reasonably asked for the incorrect details that had been entered; had the search come back as not that make, model, colour vehicle then the police would have been quite correct in stopping the car (but that was not given as the reason for the stop).
There must be some record of the incorrect search details, confirming a registration letter or digit error (and that there is such a car, the same make, model and colour registered in N. Yorkshire) – otherwise people like me will think Ms Butler was stopped by the police because she and the vehicle driver are black.
Do the police stop any vehicle not registered within a certain distance of their location, this ranks alongside ‘the dog ate my homework’.
The police claimed this (believing that the vehicle was registered in N. Yorkshire) was as a result of an error in entering the vehicle registration into the search.
Ms Butler quite reasonably asked for the incorrect details that had been entered; had the search come back as not that make, model, colour vehicle then the police would have been quite correct in stopping the car (but that was not given as the reason for the stop).
There must be some record of the incorrect search details, confirming a registration letter or digit error (and that there is such a car, the same make, model and colour registered in N. Yorkshire) – otherwise people like me will think Ms Butler was stopped by the police because she and the vehicle driver are black.
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At least we don't live in a country where this happens:
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He wasn't pointing it at them, he didn't know it was cops at the door, and he was putting it down when they shot him. Oh, yes, and it's legal to answer the door with your gun in the state. But, sure, blame the victim, rather than the cops for staying out of sight of the peephole, giving the person about two seconds to react to their request to drop the gun, and shooting him in the back.
I find it difficult to believe that police waste their time watching out for cars with dark skinned occupants in order to stop them. No matter how more likely some group is to be up to no good compared to the rest of society and thus increase police attention. Whist the misentered reg number sounds odd, one has to believe there was some other factor triggering the stop, and a reg number might be it. I suspect that the location explanation was an overly casual one. A wrong reg would likely come up with all sorts of discrepancies any of which could be the official reason. I also suspect the stopped individuals' prior belief that their group is singled out for a lower standard of interaction from others, allows them to connect any incident which seems to support that belief, regardless whether it actually is a genuine example or not. I think the police should be assumed to be not guilty until proved otherwise.
“ I find it difficult to believe that police waste their time watching out for cars with dark skinned occupants in order to stop them.”
I’m afraid some do. Police down at that level are NOT the brightest bulbs. If they weren’t policing, they wouldn’t be rocket scientists or social workers. They might be prison warders or bailiffs, and some of them might be nice people, but intellectuals, very few.
I’m afraid some do. Police down at that level are NOT the brightest bulbs. If they weren’t policing, they wouldn’t be rocket scientists or social workers. They might be prison warders or bailiffs, and some of them might be nice people, but intellectuals, very few.
The Police have always stopped cars outside areas. As I have written on here before when I used to borrow 'er indoors XR31 to go up North I was often followed and on one occasion stopped.
I didnt kick off, instead chatted to the rozzer who said they sometimes do it because that type of car was often stolen and it was also registered in a womans name 200 miles away.
I guess today the copper would get into trouble because I might have been trans or something.
Bulter is just looking for trouble. I bet she would be the first to have a go at the Police if her car was nicked.
I didnt kick off, instead chatted to the rozzer who said they sometimes do it because that type of car was often stolen and it was also registered in a womans name 200 miles away.
I guess today the copper would get into trouble because I might have been trans or something.
Bulter is just looking for trouble. I bet she would be the first to have a go at the Police if her car was nicked.
YMF; Did Butler 'kick off'? I thought she was quite cool, calm and collected, despite the fact the police couldn't give her a 'proper' reason for stopping the car she was in.
In context, your little anecdote about being stopped means absolutely nothing. My friends and I have travelled the length and breadth of the country, visiting football matches and race tracks. We have never been stopped. And i'm sure the same applies to millions of folk enjoying hobbies which require a deal of travel.
In context, your little anecdote about being stopped means absolutely nothing. My friends and I have travelled the length and breadth of the country, visiting football matches and race tracks. We have never been stopped. And i'm sure the same applies to millions of folk enjoying hobbies which require a deal of travel.
// The Police have always stopped cars outside areas.//
Yes, I've heard you and other say this before, but as far as I can see this just means that there's a different problem, the one I highlighted before: namely, why is the mere presence of a vehicle, famously able to move people over large distances, a large distance away, enough to justify a stop -- not to mention the interrogative line of questioning that follows it? Never mind the fact that this turned out to be a mistake. It seems to me that if the incident started because of an error, and continued because of a lack of quality control, then basic procedures will still need to be reformed to ensure that the police aren't taking action for no reason. Which, after all, is a waste of everybody's time concerned, not least the police's.
As I understand it, Butler herself had no complaints about the conduct of the police during the incident, and that's something to be thankful for.
Yes, I've heard you and other say this before, but as far as I can see this just means that there's a different problem, the one I highlighted before: namely, why is the mere presence of a vehicle, famously able to move people over large distances, a large distance away, enough to justify a stop -- not to mention the interrogative line of questioning that follows it? Never mind the fact that this turned out to be a mistake. It seems to me that if the incident started because of an error, and continued because of a lack of quality control, then basic procedures will still need to be reformed to ensure that the police aren't taking action for no reason. Which, after all, is a waste of everybody's time concerned, not least the police's.
As I understand it, Butler herself had no complaints about the conduct of the police during the incident, and that's something to be thankful for.
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