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ichkeria | 14:40 Wed 11th Jan 2023 | News
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From the office of the president of Poland:
“A company of Leopard tanks for Ukraine will be transferred as part of building an international coalition. Such a decision is already in Poland.”

Further to:
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2023/01/10/poland-in-talks-with-allies-over-leopard-2-transfers-to-ukraine/

This is surely the tip of the iceberg and ultimately spells the end for Russia’s “special” military operations
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lets hope so.
Great update. I can't wait for further news. :-)
Give us the tools,and we will finish the job.
I hope it comes together for them. There seems to be a condition in that 'the transfer must be part of a larger effort by a group of allies'. Poland obviously have an eye on Russia singling them out and the possible 'consequences'.
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A “company” = 12-14 tanks but their firepower, as someone posted here the other day, is awesome.
Combined with the other heavy armour already coming, this is already devastating for the Russians. And more I feel will surely come
I hope so. Then, er, on to Moscow.
ichi: Great, news.
What though is the significance of the Bakhamut salt tunnels ?
It's a start but they need more to finish the job once and for all. How much use will tanks be in the overall war? Wouldn't they be better off with more drones and 'smart' missiles?

I would imagine getting all the ammo in and lined up is the next big task though. So many Russians to get shot of.

Here's hoping.
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Some people think Wagner wants the mines for economic purposes.
Others that they want to use them for military purposes.
It’s hard to see how the latter works.
These mines, some of them, are whole subterranean worlds with easy access. But very vulnerable to attack you’d have thought. Maybe that’s where they’ll hide when Mr Leopard comes calling ;-)
There have been pictures of Wagnerites allegedly in one of the Soledar mines but the Russian defence ministry and the Wagnerites seem to disagree on what’s happening there.

Looks like Spain will be sending leopards too … we’ll see
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They need heavy battlefield armour ymb to make progress on the ground.
Taking out targets remotely is a part of it but you need to be able to dispatch their well dug in - and not so well dug in -defensive lines.
Haven't the Spanish refused to send tanks previously?
Good news indeed, ta for the update, ich.
ichi; I think mines are not difficult to flood.
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Haven't the Spanish refused to send tanks previously?”

Yes tho the Germans are the ones the spotlight has fallen on most.
But as you point out above, there was a reluctance for one country to go out on a limb. This is, I would expect, the start of a choreographed move which sees different countries now joining in
So what's changed if Spain are to send Leopards which i believe they said were 'unsuitable' and in a very poor state of repair?
It's the German Leopard 2 which is the business, I don't know what the Spaniards have.
I've posted this before, The Leopard 2 normally uses two main types of ammunition - the APFSDS-T armor-piercing rounds and HEAT-MP-T multi-purpose rounds. The APFSDS-T round penetrates around 450 mm of rolled homogenous armor equivalency at 2,000 m range. Which a bit mind-blowing!
Just checked & according to the military balance 2021, Spain has a total of 327 MBTs including 108 German Leopard 2A4 and 218 Leopard 2E. The 108 Leopard 2A4s are second-hand tanks bought by Spain from Germany in 1985
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So what's changed if Spain are to send Leopards which i believe they said were 'unsuitable' and in a very poor state of repair”

Well plainly they’ve agreed to jump together. And the reason for that presumably is that political will now matches military necessity, with the confidence that Ukraine can end this war in its terms. I don’t know anything about Spain’s contribution: just the fact that they appear to be doing something.
Sounds promising, lets hope they do the job and finish this war without too much more loss of life.
Sounds like UK might be supplying Tanks as well now.

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