Are You A Person With Lived Experience?

[naomi24]

I thought I was but now that's debateable because I've never been in prison. To avoid causing offence, new guidance for prison officers advises them to stop calling prisoners 'convicts', and to refer to ex-cons as “persons with lived experience” or “prison leavers”. Killers, thugs, rapists, child abusers, thieves. criminals of every description … you've got to respect their sensitivities. Meanwhile their victims who certainly have 'lived experience' - but experience they'd rather not have lived - are left scarred for life. Whichever bright spark of a Civil Servant came up with this rubbish should be shown the door - pronto. We're paying that twerp's wages!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/civil-servants-prisoners-convicts-2023-d7rk55dvm

[johnny.5]

When a gay prisoner is released are they advised to go straight ?

[theshedman]

My cousin takes prisoners to and from different prisons and he has to call them clients.

[Khandro]

The link is behind a pay wall, but I can read the first line which doesn't say "advises" it sounds more like a order.

But I'm not certain why, in everyday parlance, they need to use the word "convict" at all.

More tedious wokery.

[ToraToraTora]

What a load of old pony!

[douglas9401]

I'm tempted to revisit the theme of illegal immigrants being reclassified and identified as 'clandestines' by Border Force for a while.

Maybe that decision maker has changed gigs.

[naomi24]

Khandro, another link.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12073519/Prison-service-says-drop-phrase-ex-call-persons-lived-experience.html

[Khandro]

This is not only wokery, it is an attempt to alter the English language.
My dictionary says for 'convict':

1. A person found or declared guilty of an offense or crime.
2. A person serving a sentence of imprisonment.
Which is precisely what they are.

Where's Jordan Peterson?

[William51]

Yes Naomi. I do not understand why people listen to these woke merchants, they should be ridiculed not obeyed.

[MissTerious2]

Showed this to Mr T who was employed by the prison service as an instructor many years ago now. Not surprised,just said that's just the way everything's going now.

[MissTerious2]

It's ridiculous. I'm so glad I was born when I was and had my son grew up when he did. No way would I have kids these days. I can't see things changing just getting worse.

[johnny.5]

If they had served a very long sentence would they have Lifed experience?

[pastafreak]

They can't call it 'life' experience because...well...they don't get life.

[ladybirder]

Two very funny posts from johnny.5.

Like others I'm glad I'm not of working age nowadays.

[Peter Pedant]

er excuse me
prison officers stopped being warders or jailers before 1980 - same fing only later

not even the cons call themselves cons - "you inside for rape den", "you know lickle kiddies" is NOT a question you will hear on a con's lips

[Khandro]

PP //not even the cons call themselves cons//

From naomi's Daily Mail link;

"He [a prison officer] added: 'When I talk to prisoners they call themselves 'cons'. So what's the problem?'

[THECORBYLOON]

KHANDRO, not all prisoners are convicts or offenders so perhaps it is better to refer to them as prisoners.

[Arksided]

I’ll refer to them as I choose but this is a family site.

PP nobody refers to children in that terminology anyway… do they

[andres]

Likewise in the NHS. In the 90s we had to stop saying 'patients' and call people' clients.'

[retrocop]

Obviously I have been 'lagging' behind with all this wokery. Not all prisoner,certainly, are not ************&*& but the ones we escorted were Cat A and deserved every name under the sun thrown at them and it wasn't client.

[Khandro]

Corby: //not all prisoners are convicts or offenders //

How does that work? Are innocent people being locked up? Why else are they in prison ?