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Where Do They Get All These Dotty Judges From ?
I've come across some stupid Judiciary Judgements in my time, but this one really takes the biscuit.
"Irish epitaph must have English translation otherwise it might be taken as a political statement."
What planet does this idiot judge come from ?
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"Irish epitaph must have English translation otherwise it might be taken as a political statement."
What planet does this idiot judge come from ?
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In Our Hearts Forever, in Irish Gaelic may be seen as a political statement?? right-o.
''In his ruling, Judge Eyre said the memorial would be read by people who did not know the deceased and it was "unlikely to be appropriate" for them to read an inscription they found incomprehensible.''
There's a very large cemetery behind my house, I'm sure there are lots of deceased people who I don't know and whose inscriptions, in whatever tongue, are incomprehensible to me.
Putting a grieving family through all that doesn't smack of being a compassionate Church - stuff religion, causes more problems than it sorts.
''In his ruling, Judge Eyre said the memorial would be read by people who did not know the deceased and it was "unlikely to be appropriate" for them to read an inscription they found incomprehensible.''
There's a very large cemetery behind my house, I'm sure there are lots of deceased people who I don't know and whose inscriptions, in whatever tongue, are incomprehensible to me.
Putting a grieving family through all that doesn't smack of being a compassionate Church - stuff religion, causes more problems than it sorts.
Blame the Bishop of Lichfield and/or Church Law.
The Chancelllor of a Consistory Court of the Church of England, in which role Stephen Eyre QC was sitting, is appointed by the Bishop of the relevant diocese (which, in this case, is the Diocese of Lichfield). So it's the Right Reverend Michael Ipgrave who appointed Stephen Eyre to the position of Chancellor (= 'Judge' in the court). Thus his appointment has nothing at all to do with the normal appointment of judges to sit in our civil and criminal courts. (Such appointments are made by Judicial Appointments Commission).
When serving as Chancellor of the Consistory Court, it's Stephen Eyre's task to interpret and rule on Church Law, which can differ widely in its general principles from both English Common Law and English Statute Law. So it's possible that he might have personally thought that the C of E's rules are utter madness but his task was solely to make a decision based upon them and to ignore his own personal feelings in the matter.
As Stephen Eyre sees it, the C of E's rules don't only rule out the Irish language. Byron gets the thumbs down too!
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The Chancelllor of a Consistory Court of the Church of England, in which role Stephen Eyre QC was sitting, is appointed by the Bishop of the relevant diocese (which, in this case, is the Diocese of Lichfield). So it's the Right Reverend Michael Ipgrave who appointed Stephen Eyre to the position of Chancellor (= 'Judge' in the court). Thus his appointment has nothing at all to do with the normal appointment of judges to sit in our civil and criminal courts. (Such appointments are made by Judicial Appointments Commission).
When serving as Chancellor of the Consistory Court, it's Stephen Eyre's task to interpret and rule on Church Law, which can differ widely in its general principles from both English Common Law and English Statute Law. So it's possible that he might have personally thought that the C of E's rules are utter madness but his task was solely to make a decision based upon them and to ignore his own personal feelings in the matter.
As Stephen Eyre sees it, the C of E's rules don't only rule out the Irish language. Byron gets the thumbs down too!
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The Chancellor of the Consistory Court of the Diocese of Chichester obviously sees things very differently (or, more likely, the church officials at the church of St Thomas, Winchelsea, which falls within that diocese, have never asked him to rule upon such matters).
There's a headstone there bearing the Gaelic epitaph "Dúirt mé leat go raibh mé breoite" (which translates as "I told you I was ill"). It's the burial place of Spike Milligan.
There's a headstone there bearing the Gaelic epitaph "Dúirt mé leat go raibh mé breoite" (which translates as "I told you I was ill"). It's the burial place of Spike Milligan.
Anything's possible under Ecclesiastical Law, Jno!
As I indicated above, His Honour Judge Stephen Eyre QC (as he's known when he serves on the Circuit Bench) quite possibly thinks that the relevant part of Ecclesiastical Law is utter rubbish, as many people here clearly do.
However, just as when he has to rule on civil law matters when he works within the Chancery Division, he has to make his rulings based upon what the relevant law states and not upon what he thinks that it ought to state.
It's probably time for the General Synod to amend the relevant part of Ecclesiasical Law (which falls outside of its more rigid Canon Law) but, until it does, any Chancellor of a Consistory Court will be obliged to make his/her rulings based upon what Ecclesiastical Law currently states.
Since the General Synod usually takes years to come to an agreement upon anything though (and even then it's often only along the lines of "we agree to disagree"), it's unlikely that there will be any changes soon.
As I indicated above, His Honour Judge Stephen Eyre QC (as he's known when he serves on the Circuit Bench) quite possibly thinks that the relevant part of Ecclesiastical Law is utter rubbish, as many people here clearly do.
However, just as when he has to rule on civil law matters when he works within the Chancery Division, he has to make his rulings based upon what the relevant law states and not upon what he thinks that it ought to state.
It's probably time for the General Synod to amend the relevant part of Ecclesiasical Law (which falls outside of its more rigid Canon Law) but, until it does, any Chancellor of a Consistory Court will be obliged to make his/her rulings based upon what Ecclesiastical Law currently states.
Since the General Synod usually takes years to come to an agreement upon anything though (and even then it's often only along the lines of "we agree to disagree"), it's unlikely that there will be any changes soon.
// who I don't know and whose inscriptions, in whatever tongue, are incomprehensible to me.//
you proddies make me laugh - no the english have rules for everything and there are of course rules for epitaphs
I thought administered by the ecclesiastical courts and
No you cant have, as someone tried
"murdered by the English police"
I thought it was up to the priest in charge of the cemetery
and have you wondered why you have never read
'gone to Hell at last - everyone hated him'
well now you know the reason why.
you proddies make me laugh - no the english have rules for everything and there are of course rules for epitaphs
I thought administered by the ecclesiastical courts and
No you cant have, as someone tried
"murdered by the English police"
I thought it was up to the priest in charge of the cemetery
and have you wondered why you have never read
'gone to Hell at last - everyone hated him'
well now you know the reason why.
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