ok, question

[gingerflaps]

hi, im sorry but i dont know where to post this, so i post it in b&s as i always go in here. ok, here i go. last night at work a guy showed me this video clip of a man getting his head cut off, i was absolutly horrified, i asked where he got it and he told me it was origianally on ogrish.com. Now my question is, is it legal to put those videos on the net? isnt there some kind of restriction from letting people see that stuff? and also is it illigal to watch things like that? thanx

[creeker]

Why would he want to show this to you? Did he say why? I think he is weird for buying something like that. Keep your distance girl.

[Scarlett]

Unfortunately there is not a lot that can be done about this sort of thing. rotten.com is another gross site, and ALL the kids I teach go on it because the name of the site is not stopped by a search engine. If it was sex/xxx etc the security would pick it up.

They have therefore seen things that I wouldn't wish on anyone. There should be tighter controls on what is put on the internet, but how can you police that, and how can you stop it!!?

[jno]

the question is, whose law would it be against? The internet is international. If Britain banned it but the USA allowed it, who would win? And maybe the website in question (I'm sorry you mentioned the name, I hope it doesn't encourage anyone to go look) is based in Liberia or something. The Chinese government puts a lot of effort into censoring the internet, but most other governments can't be bothered.

As to whether it's illegal, probably not (though this also depends where you are.) Even if it was, how would they catch anyone? Again, it takes huge resources to monitor this sort of thing, and governments will only do it if there is massive public support, as in the case of child porn.

[libertie]

This story rings a bell.....I'm sure that a man in Scotland showed this video to a female work collegue and she reported it to the police..who then charged him, not sure with what though......sorry this is very vague, I'm off to try and find out!!!

[libertie]

A Glasgow man was sent to prison for 60 days last year for showing this video clip......sorry I can't seem to post the link, but if you google..Glasgow man video behead...you should get the story!!

[Julia6]

This clip was shown to my sister via a mobile phone. She was really traumatised by it. It's so disgusting and sick. I wish this kind of stuff could be monitored more closely as it worries me so much just what todays children are being exposed to, and then possibly desensitised to. The clip was shown to her by her son. Julia.

[chazza]

btw, Rotten.com is not a genuine site, the same faces reappear in accident after accident!

[Gulyasgirl]

I agree with chazza. I'm pretty sure it's all fake.

[spainlads]

The story about the guy being jailed for showing it is here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4289892.stm

[spainlads]

remove the </p> at the end of the URL if it doesn't work

[Scarlett]

Hmm, the pics in rotten.com look pretty darned convincing to me...

[gucciman]

i must admit that curiosity got the better of me when i heard that those beheading clips were on the net and i had a look at one. was a big mistake, i couldn't get the images out of my head for weeks, didn't sleep a wink the night i watched it.

one good thing that came from watching it, when you see on the news or in the paper a report of someone beheaded in iraq you dont really give it much thought, when you actually watch it however, you realise just how horrific and barbaric it really is, it certainly strikes home.

[halfadaily]

It's interesting that the major American search engine, that has a video search facility, allows horrific videos by Al qaeda to be viewed openly on it.

With the 9/11 conspiracy theories growing in momentum it could actually be in the U.S. governments interest to allow them without any form of censorship.

[Golem]

Control of this type of stuff is very problematic 'in the public domain', so I think it has to be done in those environments over which we do have control.

You write that you were shown this "at work." I don't know what your work situation is but where I am there is a very strict code of ethics about what can be viewed on the employer's computers, 'site blocking' and a 'Responsible User's Guide' to how the internet can be used. Generally it all works very well. Certainly if employee A used an office computer to show employee B a clip of someone having their head cut off, there would be very strong grounds for instant dismissal if employee B chose to make a complaint.

Once everyone knows this, it rarely - in fact, has never, been an issue in the last 5 years.

[chazza]

Might look convincing but its the same people again and again! No-one could die that many times!

[Scarlett]

chazza- what about the pics where you cannot see the face because it has been blown up? Real I think!

[chazza]

I could recreate a picture like that myself from photoshop! Dont believe everything you see on the net!

[tommy666]

im 15, and i was reading this and thinking, ok of course its bad for the person and i feel sorry for the people beheaded, but how is it disgusting? then i read what someone put about children being desensitised, and i expect that is whats happened to me and most likely loads of kids. theres very little you could tell me or show me that would shock me, because there are so many events like this that happen all the time, its just become normal now. i want to make it clear though that its not that i dont CARE about these things, i do care. it just doesnt shock me is all.

[LeMarchand]

Scarlett: Contact your IT support folk or whoever administers your internet security blocking; they should be able to add the site to the web filter.

I work in Southampton, and our guys can certainly do this. (Though we have recently been given a content cache server which means that we can ban sites at school level - bwa ha ha ha).

[Booldawg]

the origin of these videos are from taliban/al qaeda sponsered websites who are keen to publicise ritual murders of innocent people. The big picture should be - lets stop this behaviour.