eBay

[123everton]

I need an acronym to describe sellers who don't leave feedback until the purchaser has.

[fairkatrina]

I just stick with Bloody F***ing Irritating!

[123everton]

You're singing to the choir here, although eBay may object. What we need is something largely inoffensive but with a point, ultimately if your item arrives in good time and is as described what you want to be able to say is that they are good trader but a rude person!

[smorodina]

It's just a pathetic ploy to make the buyer leave positive feedback. If I pay - and I always pay within minutes of an auction ending - I should get positive feedback. It's then up to me to judge the service of the seller and if he doesn't deserve positive he shouldn't get it. I've just been dealing with a seller like this. He doesn't deserve positive, but he won't leave any for me until I leave it for him. I suppose that means that I won't get positive if he doesn't. EBay should make it a rule that you can't hold buyers to ransom like this.

[123everton]

I agree, but if we had code word an acronym (something catchy along the lines of yuppie) then you could leave positive feedback with regards to the goods, but allow other buyers to know what a pig the seller is

[fairkatrina]

How about FLASH ?

Feedback
Left
After
Seller's
Happy?

That way you can add "very FLASH" etc at the end of fb and it looks all innocent.

[123everton]

That's really good! Is there anyone out there who can top that?

[HWKE]

Feedback
Left
After
Buyer
Blackmailed
Into
Not
Grumbling

[smorodina]

Flabbing is good! Might start using that...

[123everton]

F.L.A.B.B.I.N.G is a good one and I'd say marginally in front as it's to the point, but the advantage with F.L.A.S.H is that you can put an adverb before it and placeit into a sentence e.g "Goods recieved, thanks very F.L.A.S.H." can anyone else come up with one?

[lovejoy]

Feedback on Ebay can be unfair as I found recently when I won an item valued at a whopping price of �5 which I didn't pay on time due to the stupid bank taking it's time sending me a new chequebook.

Because of this my name has been rubbished by the seller for Lords sake it was a fiver (including postage) I tip waiters more than that

[123everton]

I dunno about that one Lovejoy old boy, It depends how long you took to pay, whether you e-mailed the seller to explain your difficulty and let's be honest there must be someone you know who could've wrote you a cheque for a fiver? Your favourite waiter perhaps? It does'nt matter if it's �5.00 or �5000 there's a principle involved some traders only deal in items of �5.00 they have to make a wage and pay eBay for the listing as well, they're not partners in your misery and don't know you from Adam, for all they know you could be pulling a fast one. Sorry old top.I'm not on your side for that one.

[lovejoy]

Perhaps my other 100 payments that were on time should have been a clue?

[123everton]

Unless you contacted the seller and asked them to wait for a week or so, then I'd say they have every right to become irate. I could think of any number of solutions to that problem. You've bought his item you have an obligation, the seller should rate you on the manner of with which you meet that obligation. When I buy something in a shop I pay, they say thankyou, I concur and then leave, eBayers should be exactly the same. I'm sorry but I remain to be convinced as to the hubris of your dilemma.

[amonty1144]

None or late paying bidders are a complete pain. I leave feedback once payment has been received but one recent bidder paid 2 weeks late and then complained on feedback about the length of time it took to get the item!!!

I like flash and flabbing

[123everton]

The important thing is that you leave feedback after you've been paid that's the point and the principle. If someone has paid late (without communication, explanation or apology, see above) then you should feel free to say so on your feedback. Perhaps eBay could introduce a star system, 5 stars for payment within 48 hours, 4 stars for within a week, 3 stars a fortnight, 1 star a month and none after that you'd leave feedback (positive or neutral) saying "Paid thankyou". It's ironic but I've recently bought something on eBay, paid on the button and I've had neither item or feedback or even a response to my e-mails. Further investigation of his history shows that his feedback mirrors yours (you leave neutral he leaves neutral) when you read his 'positive' feedback you see the same problem occurs reguarly, comments like "late delivery", "poor comms", "paid for 1st class arrived 2nd class" and more commonly "arrived eventually" prevail. This is indicative of the problem we're talking about and it makes a mockery of the feedback system, eBay should do something but they won't because it'd be too much like hard work!

[smorodina]

I think it would be better if neither party could see the feedback until both had left it. No 'tit-for-tat' feedback then.

[123everton]

That's not a bad idea, but it's quicker to do something right than explain why you did it wrong. Common sense tells you that if you don't pay or don't deliver promptly it's going to annoy somebody. It's the notion that having done your part, it being acknowledged. Ultimately your sending your money off (often to a private individual or overseas) in the hope that the other party will keep their word. As a buyer all you can do is pay, that's the only influence you have on the transaction and is the only thing upon which you should be judged.

[curiosity]

123everton I love you! I have been bugged by this for ages, I hate it, and it is really rude. I'm thinking ...

[123everton]

Ooh, stop it you're making me blush!

[123everton]

I have just used F.L.A.S.H. and feel very pleased with my self. Fairkatrina I salute thee, as I could'nt use F.L.A.B.B.I.N.G. because the transaction went smoothly. Watch this space for his answer.